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Me: Technically they do. Please cite your source that says marriage is a right.
the last response is obviously disingenuous.
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How is it disingenuous? My statement was accurate. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you had an actual source.
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you use the argument that gays can marry someone of the opposite sex and then enjoy the benefits. well, this is technically not enjoying the same rights, actually.
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It is if you recognize that rights are defined by the Constitution. We are discussing
legality here, not your interpretation of right and wrong.
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marriage shouldnt even be a requisite for having certain legal protections, but because it is, it must be open to all pairs of adults.
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I agree. But that is not the
law at the moment.
Right now, marriage is a state issue. States decide who can and cannot be married, not the federal government.
If marriage were a right, that would not be the case. Rights are not defined by the states, but by the federal government via the Constitution.
Personally, I am ok with keeping it a state issue.
Inequity is irrelevant. We were defining rights, which are a matter of law, not your opinion on what is or is not equitable.
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I don't hate gay people, but I don't believe that they need special rights, neither does anyone else.
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Allowing homos to marry would not be giving them special rights, since heteros would also have those rights.
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I also don't believe that America should endorse the gay lifestyle by legalizing gay marriage.
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Is America endorsing the hetero lifestyle with it's current bias in favor of hetero marriage? In your statement above, you seem to be saying you are ok with discrimination so long as it is against gays.
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Imagine if tomorrow if the US legalized prostitution, that would be endorsing it.
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I disagree. Oral sex is legal, but no one would say that the government is endorsing oral sex because it is legal. Thats retarded.
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The truth is nobody really cares about this issue unless they are gay or bleeding hearts.
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Then why are there so many people opposing it?
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Most people don't have a problem with gays, like myself. I just don't think you should be able to get married. MARRIED is a man and a woman
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I have never understood this fixation with semantics on this issue.
If you people want to call it "Obscene homo parody of real marriage", thats ok with me. So long as the legal benefits are the same.
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Every culture has two competing forces in play, individual rights and the common good. If a culture firmly believes that enacting laws which encourage marriage between a man and a woman foster good, healthy cultural norms then I see nothing wrong with that. There is nothing stopping businesses from extending benefits they provide to married couples, to unmarried couples. There is nothing stopping two citizens from entering into a contract.
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You seem to be making the argument that the institution of marriage should not be recognized by the government at all...even hetero marriage.
Couldn't the whole "contract" thing work just as well for heterosexuals?
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Because deeeeep down inside, every man and woman knows that homosexuality is an aberrant behavior choice.
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Some people believe the same thing about interracial marriage.
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And if we widen the definition of marriage to include boys and boys, girls and girls, men and objects, women and animals...
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Explain why we would have to include objects and animals.
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Marriage is to be between a man and a woman. Period. End of story.
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Setting all the Bible verses I could quote, aside, the biggest reason for not accepting gay marriage is because it lends itself to a slippery slope, towards permissivism..
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The exact same argument could have been used to defend segregation and interracial marriage.
Things change.
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O.K. well then I want to marry a goat.
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Goats, like children, are incapable of giving consent. That is why you cannot marry a goat.
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