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Originally Posted by The12thMan
Evolution is a broad term. That it happened is proved. That it is the process by which a cell has the ability to sense light is not. You're stretching beyond known facts, not me. It's almost as if you think that evolution is proved to be the source of all life. Perhaps you agree with Ix that "religious doctrine that has been proven wrong time and time again"?
Because you say so, it must be fact? I'm talking about irreducible complexity. Go all the way back to the very first living cell. You must agree that there had to be one. Never mind where it came from. By what process did it multiply? and how do you arrive at the idea that it has been proved? Do you believe that abiogenesis has no place in science class since it too is based on conjecture?
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no, thats just it, 12th. in the context of science, i work within proven fact, exclusively - that is what science is about. evolution doesnt explain the beginning of life, thats not what its about at all. do i agree that the bible has been proven wrong time and time again? i dont bother considering that because i cant prove whether or not god exists, or whether or not there is a heaven and hell, etc. i think that most of the supernatural beliefs presented in the bible are highly improbable, but i dont bother to determine whether they are or not because its simply not provable. just like i cant prove, from where im sitting, that you dont have an alien eating children in your closet.
no, its not fact just because i say so. not at all. irreducible complexity, is it possible? sure, but can it be tested and proven? no. in the context of id however, its been debunked. science is not without a degree of indifference to things it cannot explain through observation and experimentation. thats what makes science so objective. science welcomes scrutiny, i cant stress that enough, but if the scrutiny is not scientific, you will get nowhere. the day a creationst proves, scientifically, that evolutionary theory is wrong, they will be applauded, rewarded and deeply respected for it.