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I assume you do not believe people should be killed unless they have committed a crime, correct? Would you say a person has that right?
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Depends on the crime.
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Since you are advocating that a fetus can be killed even though it has done nothing wrong, I can only assume you do not consider it a person.
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It matters not whether it has 'done something' or not. It is in the womans body.
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Really? So it can feed itself?
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By 'independant' we mean it can breath independantly.
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Why?
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You honestly believe women walk into abortion clinics everyday and don't give a thought to what they are doing, and how it will affect them>
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I know what I've heard women claim their reasons for abortion were.
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Whatever the reason a woman aborts, has nothing to do with you.
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White supremacists disagree with you. Just as you disagree with me that unborn children are people.
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If you read a law book, it will tell you that a fetus is not a person.
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So anyone in an old-age home needs to be terminated if they cannot walk or feed themselves. Correct?
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I did not say that. They can breath on their own, they are still independant.
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A newborn infant will die if it is not cared for. That is hardly independent
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A newborn infant can breath on it's own, this is what is meant by being independant.
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Arent you in favor of free speech? Why should the woman care if people call her a baby killer if she is secure in the knowledge that she is not killing a person? I don't feel any guilt at all when Peta tells me I am murdering by eating meat. Thats why I don't have a problem with them protesting.
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I have no problem with free speech, but not when it borders on abuse.
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No one is claiming the woman should not be able to control her own body. The fetus is not her own body.
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It is inher body for nine months, she has the right to decide whether or not it stays there.
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Then why did you bring up the examples of deformity or whatever at all? You just said it doesn't matter either way. So why bother bringing it up?
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Some people would worry about such things. Some people would abort if their child was suffering some sort of deformity.
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So in the case of conjoined twins, which one owns the other
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You twist my words once again.
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Explain to me how a 9 month fetus is not sentient, but a 1 day newborn is sentient. I thought your only criteria was independence? Why are you bringing up sentience now?
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A fetus starts to become sentient around the 24th week. But despite this, nothing changes. It is still inside the mother, and still relys on her for nourishment.
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Why? It is not murder if it is attached to her, but it is murder if it is not attached? Being unattached is all that makes it a person?
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Yes, being unnatttached makes it a person.
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Why are they feeling guilt if the fetus is so obviously not a person?
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You are obviously cold hearted if you think women give no consideration to their choice to abort.
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Technically, they do have a choice. Right? Abortion is legal. And it is obvious the fetus is not a person, right? So isn't it irrational to allow yourself to feel guilt just because some protesters call you a killer?
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No, it's offensive because women should be able to obtain an abortion without being abused.
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If the women feel guilt over what they are doing, maybe there is a reason for it. Maybe its not quite so obvious that the fetus is not a person.
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There sometimes is a reason, no woman makes the decision to abort lightly.
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Despite this, nothing changes.
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So the children of poor people should be aborted. Whats next? Racial abortions? People in China are already aborting based on gender.
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China is not Australia, or the United States.
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There might be...do you have statistics to the contrary?
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Do you? I will search for some.
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All we know for certain is that the current demand exceeds the current supply. So the argument that those children will not have homes is ridiculous.
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Statistics?