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ok, so left is left, but liberal is right and conservative is left, while in america it's that the liberals are left and the conservatives are right. Or am i mistaken and should it be the democrats who are right outside america and the replublicans who are right inside america?
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actually in europe, a republican is someone who is pro republic (ie. with one chosen head of state) a democrat is someone who is for a chosen party. Last edited by Justice Strike; 08-06-2008 at 05:49 AM. |
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labo(u)r/socialist party. As such the Democrats are right of the average left-wing party and more populist than the average liberal party. The Republicans on the other hand are a mix of conservatives and the furthest right of Euro-liberals, and as such are right of the average conservative party or liberal party. All in all, there was a video on the Economist website showing that on most issues most Americans (conservative or liberal) are to the right of the British (who are far from being the most left-wing of European countries)... and it appeared to me that the Democrats matched up most closely with the LibDems.
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Not so much real socialists. And these days the unions are losing power... But I think they do lean a little more toward short-term "relief" type programs that I see as more populist than liberal. As I understand liberals they (unlike our right-wingers) believe in using Keynsian economics to a certain extent and use of the welfare state provided it is efficient and well-targeted... but are not protectionist in international trade and frown upon short-term "solutions". When liberals push "fair trade" measures, it's about making sure the third world is developed rather than exploited and that no human rights are violated. The Democrats have a larger protectionist wing that has a more nationalist sentiment ("fair trade" is more about protecting American jobs than third world exploited) and have a tendency (due mostly to the political necessity) of backing a lot of short-term relief subsidies that can have detrimental effects. In this sense the labour elements have representation. But I think that when people claim the liberals elsewhere are "opposite" American liberals they have some wrong-headed assumption that liberals are "pro-business". As I understand it, liberals are most concerned with human rights and view free markets simply as the best way to ensure a capacity for protecting them... and are willing to bring in government where the private sector fails. Our conservatives (albeit some Republicans could be considered liberals) are pro-business and break down government programs primarily to relieve the businesses of taxes, without regard for the actual effects- often downplaying the importance of public programs. I can't imagine a European liberal backing the Republicans.
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