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Old 02-21-2008, 03:06 PM
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Serbia has always been an ally to the West, in all known great conflicts.
And yet that is not enough to prevent us from turning on you when you oppress your ethnic minorities. A lesson for the future perhaps?

If you seriously believe that we would throw our morality out the window merely because you helped us in the past, you seriously underestimated us.


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And now, once again, the West shows its true face, without a trace of morality and sense of justice
Allowing Serbia to continue to oppress one of its minorities is immoral and unjust.


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If the U.S. wants to give the albanians their own indepedent country, did they ever think about Texas?
As far as I know, no one in Texas is claiming to be oppressed. And the US government has not engaged in any ethnic clensing of Texans.

Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary if you have it though.



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I am deeply convinced that the Serbs will put Kosovo under their flag, once again, and forever.
Not outside your imagination. The Confederates thought the "South would rise again" too. How is that working for them?



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That day may not come quickly
Or probably ever.


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Independence does not exclude the international situation, it is in fact inconsequential whether it was legal or illegal.
I agree actually. The fact that the US recognizes them as a separate nation already makes it "legal" as far as we are concerned.


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Kosovo independence IS illigal, because it is opposite to the 1244 Resolution of Security Coucil, which recognizes Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia.
Gee, that must mean we don't recognize UN law as superseding our own eh?

This whole independence thing could have unforeseen benefits I hadn't considered. Like further eroding UN authority.



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By the way, Kosovo has been Serbian for almost a millenium
Yeah, Saddam made a similar claim about Kuwait. How did that turn out?


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Ask yourself why the Americans did not go to the UN, but instead persuaded the "Kosovo government" to declare independce by themselves?
Because we don't care what the UN has to say?

And believe me, I am overjoyed by that fact. I kind of assumed it anyway, but to see it demonstrated unambiguously for all to see is very gratifying.


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You cannot grant independence to a minority by allowing secession from a sovereign state!
We just did. So apparently you can.



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Read some international law, if you are not that stupid.
International law does not supersede US law. And is therefore irrelevant.


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What does matter is the state dept. supports the EU almost without thought and dismisses other nations, without coming to compromise.
It gives me tingles when you say that.


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Not true! I am speaking of the LEGALITY of the "independence act", not the morality of it.
We do not recognize "international law" as being the ultimate authority on this matter. It is as simple as that.



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The UN do not recognize states which are new founded within the borders of a sovereign country, a member of the UN.
No one is claiming otherwise. The UN can choose to recognize or not recognize whoever it wants.

The US is not the UN. We can recognize Kosovo regardless of what the UN thinks.


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That is why this is a precedent, and will create conflicts all around the world. But USA is used to creating conflicts, nothing new.
Oh stop. You're making us blush.



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And why are Russia and China opposed?
China is opposed because they are scared crаpless that Taiwan will try to do the same thing.

Russia is opposed because they see it as a major erosion of their sphere of influence.
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