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Old 03-05-2008, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
duh posts an article that shows mahmoud ahmadinejad moves freely thru iraq in a way no western offical could and then posits "If Iran quit Iraq would be even better off then [sic] it already is". that is absurd on its face. the iranian president was a welcomed guest of the puppet government we have propped up at great expense of blood and treasure.
if nothing else proves that the problems remaining in iraq are political and not military in nature then this circumstance, where iraq thumbed its nose at the USA while hosting ahmadinejad, should be proof of it.
those iraqi officials realize that the end game is near; at some near term date US soldiers will no longer be fighting their civil war on their behalf. the shiiteheads recognize that they need to form an alliance with the other shiaa leaders in the region if they are to survive as the dominant power in iraq.



as one should see from my comments above i absolutely disagree with everything posted by fear et al. look at the gobbledygook: "... forming links (which already exist)" duh huh? fear et al would have us stay in iraq indefinately to prevent the formation of an alliance which he recognizes already exists. there is NO logic there. from there he makes the leap that the iraqis will turn over their nation's oil to iran. fear et al believes that if we left iraq the other powers in the middle east would converge to sort things out. isn't that something we would want? but instead, like rumsfeld, he thinks we know better than the iraqis what they need. but then he turns around and insists we need to get the other players involved in sorting things out. to try to sort thru his argument it appears he wants the other regional players to involve themselves in iraqi affairs only so long as they do by following the bidding of the US. how absurd
So the Iraqi's know best? That's why they allowed Hussein to come to power, the leftovers from the Nazi occupation during WW2. We should have sorted it out then but we didnt. If you think that we are not responsible for the whole cunundrum in the Middle East, then you are very wrong indeed.

As long as they do the bidding of the US? No. Your are wrong there. You have not read my argument. The US should stay there until the Iraqi's can feel comfortable looking after themselves. This is not indefinite. There are certain parameters that will need to be met and they will as long as we stay.

The US cannot afford to retreat on this one. It's now gotten Hegemonic. We need to show we have the moxy to stick things out, otherwise other nations will prey in on us. I know this very reasoning is very Realist, but if history is an indicator of anything, Realism always prevails.

Oil is very important in this debate. Whoever fills the void of the US after we leave will definitely get Oil as a result. It should be Iraq, but many of you think it should be the other countries.
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