How has this forum affected you support?

[JavaBlack]

Originally Posted by wind

I'm curious as to what you see that disturbs you about the reasons people have for backing their candidates..

Mostly the bizarre fears of the "other candidate" that are obviously made up or distorted and take only a minimal amount of critical thinking to recognize as BS...
My favorite is "Obama is a Muslim".

Originally Posted by wind

I back Obama because I think the country needs a change. Bush blew any friendliness I may have had toward McCain, and McCain fipflopped so many times I wouldn't dream of considering him a serious candidate for POTUS.

I tned to see this as a bit of buying in to the party notes... but at least it's not the crazy "McCain is the Manchurian candidate" thing.
I can respect the "change" notion in that at least it is metaphoric for real issues... Sometimes I think this is simplified reasoning, but it's at least understandable. Sometimes it is a matter of the vague direction a candidate is pointing toward...
But I would certainly recommend looking closer at the issues.
I don't think it's quite fair to allow Bush to ruin McCain... McCain does plenty of this himself. And the "flip-flops" are the least of the reasons. For one things it's not how many times... It's how he does it.

Originally Posted by wind

I originally favored Hillary Clinton. Then she made some stragegic moves that turned me against her, and seemed more 'politics as usual'..

I've yet to see any real evidence that Obama is not politics as usual.
I'm taking a gamble and I will be pleasantly surprised if he does indeed change the atmosphere of politics in this country... but I wouldn't count on it enough to make that my reasoning.

Originally Posted by wind

I have wavered since in my support of Barack Obama for President. It's a clear choice this time, this election. McCain and Obama couldn't be more different..

Sure they could. Their energy policies, for instance, are nearly identical.
And there really aren't that big of differences in many other policies, once you factor in the necessary compromise to get things passed through congress.
Where the differences are most important are over things a pres has more direct control over: foreign policy and SCOTUS appointees... Those are the main reasons I am backing Obama- and nothing is likely to change my mind.

Originally Posted by wind

The vote is either for more 'Bush policies' or a radical departure. I want us out of Iraq. McCain will keep us in and start new wars. He's a hawk, not a peace candidate.

If you're just talking foreign policy, I'd agree somewhat. To be fair though Bush's second term was a marked improvement and McCain is more of a realist than Bush (which doesn't say much).
But it would be nice to start having a comprehensive foreign policy again... rather than just sword-rattling and alienation.

[CrusaderRabbit08]

No changes for me; and wouldn't expect any. Election time is always fun time. Watching both sides go at it is great entertainment.

[NewThirdParty]

Originally Posted by Roberto Bear

I used to be a stuanch Democrat, even voted for some canidates that I didn't like. But all the crap spewed by the nobama folks, and all the Hilliary bashing changed my mind. I knew I could not tolerate it no more. In the past I ever was much on an internet guy, so I just went with it. But now I am more informed, and more irritated by the far left, that I don't know if I'll ever vote straight ticket again.

The nobama supporters are the rudest and nastiest of all, makes you just hate the guy just because of all his bloggers!

That's funny because it was Hilary and McCain who have used dirty politics against Obama. its the McCain supporters who constantly slander Obama with baseless and factless lies. In McCain's own ad he plays Obama off like some religious leader/fanatic, when its McCain who holds a more religious tone than Obama. In McCains own ad he lies about Obama's views and about Obama's actions.

Its not Obama thats taking the low road, its McCain. Just google low road.

[Roberto Bear]

Originally Posted by NewThirdParty

That's funny because it was Hilary and McCain who have used dirty politics against Obama. its the McCain supporters who constantly slander Obama with baseless and factless lies. In McCain's own ad he plays Obama off like some religious leader/fanatic, when its McCain who holds a more religious tone than Obama. In McCains own ad he lies about Obama's views and about Obama's actions.

Its not Obama thats taking the low road, its McCain. Just google low road.

Tell one lie Hilliary or McCain have said about obama. It's not there. obama is just an empty suit, set up by the extreme leftist leftover from the 60's.

[t206]

Originally Posted by White Fox

I've decided that McCain and Obama would both be damaging to the country, and though I still believe McCain would do less damage, it's still too much to support him.

100% agree. I wont vote for McCain, however Id prefer to see him win if the only other option is Obama.

My mind was made up on that before coming here though.

I actually liked Obama right when there was all the speculation about him running, but as soon as I found out more about him, and as soon as I started doing a bunch of research on Ron Paul, my mind was made up.

[NewThirdParty]

Originally Posted by Roberto Bear

Tell one lie Hilliary or McCain have said about obama. It's not there. obama is just an empty suit, set up by the extreme leftist leftover from the 60's.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/...ew-on-cam.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2..._trickery.html

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...0/1234797.aspx

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ness_bunk.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_obama.html

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...3/1216719.aspx

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live...litics&sid=101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjsW...lowroadexpress


Have fun...

[Spare]

Originally Posted by t206

100% agree. I wont vote for McCain, however Id prefer to see him win if the only other option is Obama.

My mind was made up on that before coming here though.

I actually liked Obama right when there was all the speculation about him running, but as soon as I found out more about him, and as soon as I started doing a bunch of research on Ron Paul, my mind was made up.

I think you need to be realistic .... either Obama or McCain is going to get elected ... period. All the "message votes" are going to be wasted .. nobody is listening.

Not selecting one of the two who will be elected just means you're letting somebody else decide.

[JavaBlack]

Originally Posted by Spare

I think you need to be realistic .... either Obama or McCain is going to get elected ... period. All the "message votes" are going to be wasted .. nobody is listening.

Not selecting one of the two who will be elected just means you're letting somebody else decide.

Depends.
If you do not favor one major candidate over the other at all- or to any significant amount anyway, you might as well send a message vote.
It's not going to win an election, but if enough people do it, a message does get across when the parties start looking over the numbers to see who they're losing and why.

Now if you have a preference between the top two, might as well vote for one of them.

[t206]

Originally Posted by Spare

I think you need to be realistic .... either Obama or McCain is going to get elected ... period. All the "message votes" are going to be wasted .. nobody is listening.

Not selecting one of the two who will be elected just means you're letting somebody else decide.

I am being VERY realisic. I wont waste my vote on someone I dont agree with.