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Old 08-18-2008, 03:43 PM
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Why didnt obama say he felt. I know plenty of pro choice people who could respond better then that. He should have spilled his guts and just said at wich point he feels life begins. I dont like obama, and im pro life, but I could have respected him giveing a firm answer.
Exactly....he needs to take a stance......he answers questions by NOT answering them.......typical lawyer......and you know how much you can trust a lawyer
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Unfortunately McCain is wrong. You won't convince the radical fundamentalist Christians, you know, the kind that murder doctors and blow up medical clinics, but the fact is that a fetus should not have any rights whatsoever until it becomes viable (i.e. able to live unassisted outside of the womb). Until that time it is not a baby, it is a cell cluster.

Math doesn't work on your equation: 400 million dead babies via abortion vs 3 dead doctors...................... I'm a democrat and even I fiqured that one out.
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Exactly....he needs to take a stance......he answers questions by NOT answering them.......typical lawyer......and you know how much you can trust a lawyer
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WARREN: Forty million abortions, at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?

OBAMA: Well, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade. But let me just speak more generally about the issue of abortion, because this is something obviously the country wrestles with.

(McCain’s answer: “At the moment of conception.” APPLAUSE.)

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......you know where that leaves your nuts when you ride the fence.
The rest of the quote goes on to say that he feels Women will make the decisions that are best for them and not abuse it. Which is something much of the country agrees with. And, he wants late term abortions to be gone, with the exception of the health of the mother.

But, I guess when you don't read the whole quote you can get confused.
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Exactly....he needs to take a stance......he answers questions by NOT answering them.......
Very true. Why is it that Pro Lifees hold their heads high when admitting their stance on the issue and Pro Abortionists hem and haw and try not to answer?
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Unfortunately McCain is wrong. You won't convince the radical fundamentalist Christians, you know, the kind that murder doctors and blow up medical clinics, but the fact is that a fetus should not have any rights whatsoever until it becomes viable (i.e. able to live unassisted outside of the womb). Until that time it is not a baby, it is a cell cluster.
There is no right or wrong answer to this question. In order for there to be one, you would have to be a divine creator who set the rules, and then determines what was intended to be, and what wasn't. Since I cannot answer this question, I think the answer would be what is best for the child weighing in on what the future may be like. My beliefs could pretty much swing either way. I feel it could be a responsible choice to terminate a fetus if someone shouldn't have a kid, but at the same time I feel it is completely irresponsible and reckless for it to come to that in the first place. Since we are weighing in lives, this should not be something taken lightheartedly, which I feel some extreme liberals do. It almost becomes a belief with some of these people that anything they need to better there life is a right of passage, regardless of who or what is involved.

The only thing that makes me somewhat more sympathetic to the cause of the anti-abortion group is that pro-choice individuals generally claim that the fetus is not an individual until it is viable. Well, I find it interesting that many support some of the later term abortions where the baby would almost certainly live if it were to be born. The other issue I have is that since no one knows whether life starts at conception or viability from a moral stand point, you would think that people would side with caution regarding something of this nature. Instead, people side with what is in their best interests in the pro-choice case, without fully knowing whether or not they are doing something that could be wrong. Because of that, I find the extreme pro-choice individuals take their opinion as fact to fuel their belief that it is their right, when it is in my opinion completely ambiguous.

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Unfortunately McCain is wrong. You won't convince the radical fundamentalist Christians, you know, the kind that murder doctors and blow up medical clinics, but the fact is that a fetus should not have any rights whatsoever until it becomes viable (i.e. able to live unassisted outside of the womb). Until that time it is not a baby, it is a cell cluster.
I think you're confused about what a fact is. Using the word fact doesn't make it magically become one. Unfortunately many on the left support abortions when the fetus can live. And since a fetus can be born even prior to the last trimester and live you won't find much support among the extreme left to ban it. If it has a heart beat then it's a baby.
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