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Old 08-19-2008, 01:29 PM
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In the primaries that you had to choose democrat or republican I did not vote.
That is my business and no one elses I have a feeling that many people did not vote for that same reason because this year we did not have to choose a party.
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In the primaries that you had to choose democrat or republican I did not vote.
That is my business and no one elses I have a feeling that many people did not vote for that same reason because this year we did not have to choose a party.
my parents didn't vote b/c all the good candidates at the time had dropped and this old geezer was pretty much the only choice (washington is like one of the last primaries)

i am still disappointed. we had such better candidates.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:42 PM
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Yes, the economy has gone so well under the last two Republicans hasn't it!
Actually it has. Wait, last two Republicans? Bush has served two terms. Are you counting him as two people now? Anyway, the economy under Bush has done well. This is the first year it has faltered and even now we are not in a recession. After 9/11 the economy would have nose dived under another's policies.


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The curious list of Bush associations: Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton, Harriet Miers, Francis Harvey, Peter McNutly, Sara Taylor, Dan Bartlett, Gen. Peter Pace, Rob Portman, William Mercer, Jim Nicholson, Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales, Michael "Brownie - you're doing a heck of a job" Brown, various suspicious characters in Saudi Arabia and of course my favorite - Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell who presided over Bush's inauguration twice and officiated at Jenna Bush's wedding but is supporting Obama.
The fact that you think any of those people compare to Ayers, Wright and Rezko shows how out of touch the left is.
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Old 08-19-2008, 03:01 PM
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There are almost a dozen bi partisan alternate energy legislations sitting in committee since Jan '07 when the Democrats took over, I've been posting them here. The one that made it out of the Democrats energy dungeon was so laden with un-related pork, even I couldn't believe it. No one in their right minds would vote for more than that. Those are issues for sophisticated voters. But it's the Democrats position on domestic drilling that's gonna murder ya in November. Some folks are having to choose between feeding their kids and putting gasoline in their cars, and yes that would be the poor and lower middle class, the Democrat base. These are not terribly sophisticated voters, to them more oil = more gasoline = lower prices and the Democrats are blocking the way. Save your fancy explanations, most of the low income Democrat base do not care to understand that mumbo jumbo, all they'll see is the Democrats stopping the oil that can bring the prices down and take the financial squeeze off of them. So you go on and believe that the low income, poor and disenfranchised give a rats backside about whether the snail darter fish won't like the new oil rig.

Add in the party divide and how the floor vote at the convention is surely to open old wounds between the Clinton and Obama camps and push them even further apart. Then with Obama's numbers dropping like a brick, Hillary can possibly pull off an upset at the convention causing Black voters to go nuts that their guy was robbed.....Good Luck. McCain is enough of a Democrat to draw the angry Democrat votes because he's liberal enough, after all he wanted to be Kerry's running mate in '04

I'm sure some of you find a way to marginalize what I've said to save face in public, but deep down inside you know what I'm saying is absolutely true and so does everyone else.
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Old 08-19-2008, 03:15 PM
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lol, absolutely true, only actually absolutely false. mccain wanted to be kerrys running mate? hillary can pull off an upset? and blacks will go nuts... even if that happened, which it wont, more than blacks would be upset by it. lol. and the simple dem voters are much more likely to think, bush=bad=repub=bad=mccain=bad than omg domestic drilling! lol, thats a wild imagination youve got there.
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The curious list of Clinton associations:

Vernon Jordan, George Stephanopoulos, Robert Reich, Roberta Achtenberg, Jesse Brown, Les Aspin, Hazel O'Leary, Margaret Williams, Joshua Steiner, Mack McLarty, Marian Benett, Federico Pena, Deval Patrick, Patsy Thomasson, Roger Altman, Jean Hanson, William Kennedy, Herby Branscum and Robert Hill, Harold Ickes, Lloyd Cutler.

Clinton Administration officials Indicted:

Henry Cisneros Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Mike Espy Agriculture Secretary, Webster Hubbell Associate Attorney General and Ron Brown Commerce Secretary still under investigation by an Independent Counsel when he died mysteriously in a plane crash.

Clinton Arkansas Associates Indicted:

Former Arkansas Municipal Court Judge David Hale, Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker, Clinton's partner in the Whitewater venture, Jim McDougal and Susan McDougal.
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1. Obama is weak and naïve on foreign affairs. Americans understand that there are evil forces in the world that want to destroy us and our way of life. When it comes to protecting America, especially, Americans want the president of the United States to have courage and show resolve.

2. Obama’s proposed tax policies will cripple the economy. History has shown that tax cuts (across the board) boost the economy because cuts put extra cash in the pockets of working Americans, and when that happens people spend, invest, and build, all beneficial components of a strong economy.

3. Obama is wrong on energy policy. At a rate of 70%, Americans support off shore oil drilling. Americans want drilling for the obvious reasons that we need to heat our homes, and drive our cars, but also because it makes sense to exploit our own resources instead of paying for oil elsewhere. There is a way to accomplish this goal without losing sight that alternate forms of energy is the way of the future.

4. Obama’s abortion policies are too radical. Obama cannot hide from his record, when in 2003 as chairman of an Illinois state Senate committee, he “voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion – even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language, copied from a federal bill passed by Congress without objection in 2002.” [Emphasis added] Obama’s relentless support of liberal abortion laws, regardless of the consequences, puts him at odds with most Americans.

5. Obama’s curious associations leaves much to be desired. The following is a short list of Obama’s curious associations: Liberation theology Pastor Jeremiah Wright; Convicted felon Tony Rezco; American traitor William Ayers; Terrorist sympathizers Code Pink.



Here are mine:

1. He’s a total left wing nut case that makes Kerry look like a bleeding moderate.
2. He has never done a blinking thing of note.
3. Hes all talk and no action.
4. Hes a coward who will not stick up for his friends.
5. He has no core values he will not change to get elected.
Spot on list Superdude.
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lol, absolutely true, only actually absolutely false. mccain wanted to be kerrys running mate? hillary can pull off an upset? and blacks will go nuts... even if that happened, which it wont, more than blacks would be upset by it. lol. and the simple dem voters are much more likely to think, bush=bad=repub=bad=mccain=bad than omg domestic drilling! lol, thats a wild imagination youve got there.
Your right about McCain wanting to be Kerry's running mate, it was the Democrats that wanted him!

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Representative Richard A. Gephardt, the Missouri Democrat who has often been mentioned as a running mate for Senator John Kerry, is talking kindly about another choice: Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona.

Asked after a speech in California on Monday what he thought of Mr. McCain's potential for the Democratic presidential ticket, Mr. Gephardt described him as a ''very attractive figure in American politics'' who ''would be accepted by the Democratic Party,'' according to CNN.

Mr. McCain is ''someone a lot of Democrats could get interested in,'' Mr. Gephardt said at the Leon Panetta Center in Monterrey.

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Oh wow my bad. I had it reversed. As far as the Gasoline, talk to folks when they are filling up....your marginalizing. I'm sure they care more about the big evil Bush than what they're shucking out of their wallets at the pumps. WOW, that's amazing logic.
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i talk to plenty of em. gas is pretty high in california, but why would they go with another repub when theyre experiencing one right now and theyre hurting at the pump? lol. they may not be the brightest, but i dont think theyre gonna fall for that.
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No, he's not joking. He's just very well informed.



Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007

By Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal
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Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator.

In their yearlong race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama and Clinton have had strikingly similar voting records. Of the 267 measures on which both senators cast votes in 2007, the two differed on only 10. "The policy differences between Clinton and Obama are so slight they are almost nonexistent to the average voter," said Richard Lau, a Rutgers University political scientist.



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You think superdude is better informed than those at Political Compass? You're having a laugh. Liberalism does not equal socialism and a socialist would have no chance of getting nominated as a presidential candidate. The idea that Obama is a Marxist is beyond ludicrous his policies are not seeking to replace the class system. Trying to make out he is some ultra liberal socialist is just a McCarthyist ploy to scare people and has no foundation in reality.

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