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They liked to blame him instead of themselves for their troubles.
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HE was their TROUBLE!!!! HE is the guy who called the shots!!! Put down your crack pipe, man! Listen to yourself!
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From what I recall the banks were against the Mormons too so it was necessary to start one to save the money of the saints. Also Jesus had need of Money in his day too but he got his from a fish. Joseph had the ability at the time to allow a bank to be organized nothing more than that but feel free to blame him for it this is no different than Millions of others.
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Jesus didn't need money! He owns everything! Listen to yourself! You sound like a woman who's husband keeps beating her up every time she comes home, and when the cops come to arrest her dirt-bag husband, she protects him. I would bet you have family who are Mormon. I would be your whole life would blow up if you lost your "faith".
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So tell me what ever happened to all the money that Joseph stole because it is painfully obvious that he didn't have it.
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I don't know, maybe he bought some more Egyptian artifacts. Or maybe he opened another bar in Utah. Or maybe a casino!
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Run when people threaten your life.
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Read Foxes book of martyrs. Again... you seem to be scared by that book. But in it, you will read about real people, and real courage.
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The Temples are our houses of the Lord within which sacred ordinances could be performed look on the bible the lord didn't say get rid of the temples he said that we are a temple too.
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Temples are brick and mortar. Why do you think God felt more at home in a tent?
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They thought they knew but like I said they didn't want to blame themselves for the failure of the bank.
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I pray you never work for the FBI, and you are a classic example of why Mitt Romney could never be president.
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No it isn't as a matter of fact Joseph takes very little credit for anything he did and gave it all to the lord. I do believe that this account came from Brigham young.
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Brigham Young manufactured a religion out of a looser's life. He is your grand architect, not Joseph Smith. And we are to believe him, oh most sacred prophet of the church? Why is it that the sake holders in religious organizations always live high on the hog? Why? Was B.Y. going to say, "Nope, Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, he actually made the whole thing up."
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People will oppose the truth everywhere that Jesus showed up there was opposition to him does that make him a liar and unbelievable. Peter denied christ three times too.
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I don't think you can defend the errors in the Mormon faith by denying the one J.S. was supposed to be serving. Isn't that kinda bass-ackwards...?
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They never dropped their testimony though. Even to the death they still held to their testimony and I still can't see why if it was false.
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Hmmm... Interesting...
BE IT KNOWN unto all nations, kindred’s, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens.. And the honor be to the Father, & to the Son, & to the Holy Ghost, which is One God. Amen.' Signed: Oliver Cowdery & David Whitmer & Martin Harris
So look closely:
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9 Joseph traveled hundreds of miles to Far West, Missouri, to visit the Saints there. Most of them were happy to see the Prophet, but some of the Church leaders in Missouri were not obeying God’s commandments and wouldn’t repent.
10 Joseph was heartsick that friends such as Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, and others who had been valiant had to be excommunicated from the Church. |
Sounds like they were very credible witnesses.
The day of Jesus (God), Adam(the bringer of sin and death into this world), and "other righteous people" (all Mormons, no doubt) gathering...
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Maybe but being legally married to one doesn’t make it seduction.
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Being married to a child doesn't make "what" seduction??!! I don't know, ask Warren Jeffs. I am sure they will let him out of jail long enough to talk to you.
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You don't know that he didn't try and what kind of position was he in to get the money to pay them back?
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Ulysses S. Grant was innocently used by a con-man to defraud people of $250,000.00 of their hard earned money, back in the 1800's, that was no small chunk of change. He spent the rest of his life, down to his dying day, to pay them back. Are you telling me that dedicating your life to paying those people back, wasn't worth it, for the prophet of the LDS church??? HA! So much for the righteous few...
He had thousands of followers!!! He could have raised the money in a week. He could have prayed that God would help him to return that money. But he didn't. Wanna know why??? I will give you a few guesses...
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The missionaries were not present at the time of the fire and arrived in the aftermath of the fire. I guess by your argument Elijah was a mercenary for burning the priests of Baal.
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I don't think Elijah had a Bic back then. And besides, if you knew your Bible as much as the excuses the LDS church trains you on, you would know that he poured water on the sacrifice and the wood. And he didn't even expect that God would consume the prophets of Baal. So, by your logic, (it is so telling, btw) it was Elijah who made the fire come, not God. Which, by association, would presume that you don't even believe your own words, much less Joseph Smith. Just how much would you have to give up, if you walked away? Poor rich young ruler, no doubt.
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He didn't burn it down then did he?
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I don't think he had the courage to do it himself.
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His brother was killed long before Joseph ever got near the window and I hate to think that if you were in jail with your brother and friends and you had the slightest opportunity to defend them with a gun that you would rather let it happen and have them kill all of you.
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I doubt whether or not he had time to even check his pulse. Read the events, again... And if I was in jail with my brother, accused of things that would have pissed off more than five thousand people, you can bet your bottom dollar I wouldn't have tried to shot my way out. I guess its time to go back to the Bible. Read how Peter and Paul were arrested and broken out of jail. If God wanted J.S. and his brother out of jail, he would have gotten them out. If I was innocent, I would have rejoiced in the face of the mob, as Stephan did. I would have been grateful for the chance to be a martyr for the Lord and die in his service. I would have looked them in the eye and forgiven them. But J.S. wasn't yelling, "forgive them!" as he was shot. He left his brother to die and he was trying to slime his way out by taking the lives of people who were justly angry at him. Good men of moral conscience do things like humble themselves and seek forgiveness.
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It seems like more people are interested into distorting facts out of preportion to try and make them seem illogical.
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I don't think anyone here is distorting facts, except you...
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Once again I ask How can this church be false because no one has seen the plates when no one has seen the brass plates that the bible was written on either?
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Brass????? LOL Oh, I know... The Brass Plates the Bible came on. Who told you the Bible was written on Brass? When God writes something down, it is usually on stone. When he asks someone else to write it down, he typically used something lighter than brass. Can you imagine how heavy the brass plates were when Paul was carving 1st Corinthians? You have got to be kidding me!
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Why is it that because one is in such a place of influence in a religious organization that everything he does is wrong and evil even if there is overwhelming proof of the opposite?
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So far, the only "overwhelming proof" I have seen is on the side of J.S. being a cheat and a liar. FYI - stealing peoples money and lying about who God is, are serious evils... The LDS church is the same as any other organization more interested in sustaining itself than facing the truth.
Keep those arguments coming, Link. Fascinating tool for training more people to go to Hill Comora and sharing with the LDS people that come there every year.