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Originally Posted by commonsense
I need to shut my mouth? Brawn before brains, right? I have many friends in Iraq and between tours, and I know much more about the enemy than you think. I finished my days in the USN, had I been sent on another tour I would be in Iraq right now. You seriously need to think before you post. There's this thing called free speech, I could care less if you think I'm a disgrace to 'those who serve' because I've already done my time.
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Your politisizing the Iraqi dead and wounded as if it is our fault "not the enemys". YOU CANNOT BLAME OUR TROOPS FOR THE ACTIONS OF OUR ENEMYS! YOU SHOULDENT BE ASHAMED OF YOUR COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THE CASUALTYS! YOU SHOULD BE ANGRY THAT WE HAVENT KILLED MORE OF OUR ENEMYS! Its funny that you and our enemys both want the same thing! A premature pullout of American Forces! I dont care how many friends that you have or how much time you served! The fact is this! 90% of our armed forces back our mission in Iraq and 4/5ths of them will vote for McCain! Especially in combat MOS's "which are few in the navy".
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I quoted a link from 2005 because Saddam's army casualties ended around 2003 when they were destroyed.
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And that link read
""Iraqis Endure Worse Conditions Than Under Saddam, UN Survey Finds""
Yet at the end of 2007 here is what were are dealing with!
Despite terrorist attacks and sabotage Iraq’s economy has grown much faster than post war Germany and Japan.
1) The Iraqi unemployment rate is at 25-40%. That’s down from 50-60% back in 2003.
2) The electricity production level is 15% above pre war levels and the goal set by the US for average electricity generated has been reached years ago.
3) 8,997,000 more people have phone service than before the war.
4) Before the war there were no commercial TV stations, no commercial radio stations, and no independent news papers or magazines. Now there are 54 commercial TV stations 114 commercial radio stations and, 268 independent newspapers and magazines.
5) There are 5.7% more children in elementary school since pre war levels and there is an 27% increase of children in middle/high schools since before the war.
6) People with access to potable water before the war was 12.9 million but now 9.7 million with an 4.2 million increase since the war started. 6.2 million people had sewage before the war as opposed to the 5.6 million that have it now. However the CPA’s goal was 2.5 million.
7) Iraq has managed to make 21 billion dollars in Oil revenues despite the insurgent sabotages and the number will only rise each year.
Iraq’s GDP has more than doubled its growth since prewar levels making Iraq the fastest growing economy in the world.
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Originally Posted by commonsense
Did I blame anyone for anyone else's actions? Think about that. No one gets the blunt end of a few power-bent marines who torture against orders. I present it, if you hate me for it then go on hating; that's a reason we have wars. We already know what happens on the other side.
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The who killed all thoes people that you politisized so well? WHO??!! WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR THE DEATHS OF ALL THOES PEOPLE!!?? IS SURE AS HELL DONT BLAME OUR MILITARY! OUR MILITARY DOESENT DECAPITATE INFANT CHILDREN, THEY DONT TORTURE PEOPLE, THEY DONT HIDE BEHIND INNOCENT CIVILIANS, THEY DONT BLOW UP IED'S IN CROWDED MARKETPLACES! So the question remains! Who do you blame for all thoes Iraqi dead. wounded, and fleeing that you politisize so well for an anti war agenda?
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Originally Posted by commonsense
Would you be willing to bet this could have been solved peacefully? I would. It can still be solved peacefully. Why can't people see this? THERE IS ALWAYS A PEACEFUL ALTERNATIVE MEANS. ALWAYS. We just need to think about it more. This argument between you and I would never have happened, if our government would have been wise enough to keep our military out of the situation.
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Would have, should have, could have. The fact is this. Bush had the support of congress, the UN, and the international community! But thats over now! Is there a peaceful way to end this? ABSOLUTLY! Do you know what that peaceful way is? STOP FIRING AT US FORCES! If they cant do that then stand by to stand by!
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Don't give me your typical pro-war bullsh!t and say I'm a disgrace when I stand up for my beliefs. I'm more grateful than you can imagine that I have the right to disagree with single minded servicemen led by political and high ranking war mongrels.
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Yes, yes yes Im led by political and high ranking war mongrels, LOL. Do you remember who all voted in congress to invade Iraq? I do! And they didnt have anything to do with the Bush Administration or Oil! You should read these quotes that date back to the late 1990's. Before you click on the voting record displayed at that same site ofcourse! After you read it all you can drop this "we could have prevented this stuff" later!
http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html
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Originally Posted by commonsense
We didn't ever have a right to go there and you know it. You know you talk about chances to 'rip out spines' even though it's an exaggeration. You know marines like to fight, everyone knows this. That sort of dialogue doesn't work on me.
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The 11 UN resolutions that Saddam broke alone were enough to boot him out! However it took a lack of cooperation with wepons inspectors as agreed to in the 1991 case fire to finaly go to war with him and we took our time on that as well. Could this have been avoided? Absolutly! Saddam could have cooperated! But he didnt! We held up our end of the bargan! He didnt hold his according to the 1991 case fire agreement! We had every right to be there! He had no right not to cooperate!
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And yes, our next presidential candidate, McCain, has already said Iraq should be an indefinite militaristic asset ('100 years').
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You dont believe he was exagerating on that? We are allready moving our troops out now! Units that will never return to Iraq! Its called a responsible widthdraw and a victory! Not an immediate premature widthdraw and a defeat! I trust Gen Petraeus's descision and it is up to him to remove the troops! Our president has given him that authority!
I like the fact tha after all the stuff I said you only touched upon a few of them! Youve politisized pictures of troops doing horrible things, you politisized our dead and wounded and the Iraqi dead and wounded, yet YOU DONT BLAME THE ENEMY ONCE!!!? WOW! SIMPLY WOW!!