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Old 03-11-2008, 10:21 PM
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Your politisizing the Iraqi dead and wounded as if it is our fault "not the enemys". YOU CANNOT BLAME OUR TROOPS FOR THE ACTIONS OF OUR ENEMYS! YOU SHOULDENT BE ASHAMED OF YOUR COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THE CASUALTYS! YOU SHOULD BE ANGRY THAT WE HAVENT KILLED MORE OF OUR ENEMYS! Its funny that you and our enemys both want the same thing! A premature pullout of American Forces! I dont care how many friends that you have or how much time you served! The fact is this! 90% of our armed forces back our mission in Iraq and 4/5ths of them will vote for McCain! Especially in combat MOS's "which are few in the navy".
I have never blamed our troops, have I? When our government becomes our enemy in foreign affairs to the point of blatant avoidance, this is where I protest the action. I've politicized jack here. I've shown the result of reaction our government has created. The action of our government was force against Iraq, therefore, the result of that action is not political, it is merely the result of action. Had the action been that of economic overthrow of the dictator, I would be posting economic stats instead.

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Despite terrorist attacks and sabotage Iraq’s economy has grown much faster than post war Germany and Japan.
Do you know why this is? Do you think it was because of our war? Think again, it was because we are sinking billions, if not trillions into the infrastructure. The money used on the campaign could have instead been siphoned into democratic opposition and the funds then transferred to infrastructure projects when those parties took hold.

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The who killed all thoes people that you politisized so well? WHO??!! WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR THE DEATHS OF ALL THOES PEOPLE!!?? IS SURE AS HELL DONT BLAME OUR MILITARY! OUR MILITARY DOESENT DECAPITATE INFANT CHILDREN, THEY DONT TORTURE PEOPLE, THEY DONT HIDE BEHIND INNOCENT CIVILIANS, THEY DONT BLOW UP IED'S IN CROWDED MARKETPLACES! So the question remains! Who do you blame for all thoes Iraqi dead. wounded, and fleeing that you politisize so well for an anti war agenda?
I blame bombs, you know what bombs are, right? Assuming you do, our navy and pilots are indirectly responsible for many of those innocent lives, as well as terrorist attacks.

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Would have, should have, could have. The fact is this. Bush had the support of congress, the UN, and the international community! But thats over now! Is there a peaceful way to end this? ABSOLUTLY! Do you know what that peaceful way is? STOP FIRING AT US FORCES! If they cant do that then stand by to stand by!
There would be no one attacking our forces had we not entered to begin with.

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Yes, yes yes Im led by political and high ranking war mongrels, LOL. Do you remember who all voted in congress to invade Iraq? I do! And they didnt have anything to do with the Bush Administration or Oil! You should read these quotes that date back to the late 1990's. Before you click on the voting record displayed at that same site ofcourse! After you read it all you can drop this "we could have prevented this stuff" later!
I believe the highest would be the commander in chief, among others...

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The 11 UN resolutions that Saddam broke alone were enough to boot him out! However it took a lack of cooperation with wepons inspectors as agreed to in the 1991 case fire to finaly go to war with him and we took our time on that as well. Could this have been avoided? Absolutly! Saddam could have cooperated! But he didnt! We held up our end of the bargan! He didnt hold his according to the 1991 case fire agreement! We had every right to be there! He had no right not to cooperate!
Says who? Says the UN? The UN said to start the war? Our congress gave Bush the go-ahead to fight a war against terrorism after a war against a regime had been won, under the same ensign of the original legislation?

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You dont believe he was exagerating on that? We are allready moving our troops out now! Units that will never return to Iraq! Its called a responsible widthdraw and a victory! Not an immediate premature widthdraw and a defeat! I trust Gen Petraeus's descision and it is up to him to remove the troops! Our president has given him that authority!
Anyone who says we have lost is ignorant. We have certainly won the war, we won four years ago. I do believe our military's involvement will be indefinite.

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I like the fact tha after all the stuff I said you only touched upon a few of them! Youve politisized pictures of troops doing horrible things, you politisized our dead and wounded and the Iraqi dead and wounded, yet YOU DONT BLAME THE ENEMY ONCE!!!? WOW! SIMPLY WOW!!
What enemy? The enemy of THIS WAR was defeated in two thousand and three. It is two thousand eight now. The only 'enemy' left are belligerent terrorists who don't comply with the status quo. There is no basis for a full scale involvement against this type of enemy, it will always be present in the region. Always. All the troops of the entire earth, protecting each citizen of Iraq, will not quell this type of suicidal enemy, everyone knows this. A full scale war with refractory independents is insane. Look at every guerilla war of antiquity. In other words, the 'surge' was only to increase security for our economic interests and is made altruistic from our direct involvement with the Iraqi people. When the surge is gone, security forces trained in Iraq should be strong enough to protect those economic interests. Do you think terrorists will drop their involvement, simply because the US is gone? I have a modest answer for this, HELL NO.

I haven't posted pictures of 'terrorists' because our enemy, which congress and the Bush administration so clearly stated in their declaration, was Saddam and his army. The continuation of this occupation is not to defeat any enemy, the enemy has long passed. The continuation is to create an infrastructure able to support democratic parties in order to bring peace to the country. All this could have been done using less money, with direct economic involvement; and NO American deaths. That is the reason I am so adamant about the issue. No one will be able to understand this without seeing the 'other side' of the war. AMERICANS DIED BECAUSE OF WEAK FOREIGN POLICIES. And yes, the external use of force represents an internal weakness. Whatever that weakness is, the state department, the security of America, the security of economy, whatever the reason; America declared this war based on anemic foreign diplomatic relations and fearful participation of her own constituency.
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