I haven't read the whole thread. But I wanted to comment. BillyBob, you friggin' crack me up, man.

In answer to the poll topic. No way. There is no need to lower yourself to the standards of other depraved members of humanity in order to achieve a particular means. The end does not justify the means, not in the case of torture, not ever.

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We've got rules and maps and guns in our backs, but we still can't just behave ourselves. Even if to save our own lives, we are a brutal kind. The Shins