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I have never blamed our troops, have I? When our government becomes our enemy in foreign affairs to the point of blatant avoidance, this is where I protest the action. I've politicized jack here. I've shown the result of reaction our government has created. The action of our government was force against Iraq, therefore, the result of that action is not political, it is merely the result of action. Had the action been that of economic overthrow of the dictator, I would be posting economic stats instead.
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Then who is at fault with all thoes people you claimed that have been killed in Iraq? WHO IS AT FAULT!!! HUH? ANSWER THAT GENIOUS! AND IF YOUR NOT GOING TO BLAME OUR TROOPS THEN BLAME OUR ENEMIES! AND IF OUR ENEMIES ARE SO CAPEABLE OF COMMITTING SUCH HORENDOUS ACTS THEN SHOULDENT WE BE FIGHTING THEM? GET A CLUE!
DONT FORGET TO ANSWER MY QUESTION! WHO IS PHYSICALLY AT FAULT FOR ALL THOES DEATHS THAT YOU POLITISIZE SO WELL!?
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Do you know why this is? Do you think it was because of our war? Think again, it was because we are sinking billions, if not trillions into the infrastructure. The money used on the campaign could have instead been siphoned into democratic opposition and the funds then transferred to infrastructure projects when those parties took hold.
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YOUR SAYING THAT ALL THE SUCESS WHAT WE SEE IN IRAQ IS BAD BECAUSE WE SPENT ALOT OF MONEY? YOU REALLY WANT US TO FAIL THERE DONT YOU. AND IRAQS GDP HAS NO CONNECTION TO AMERICAN MONEY! WE LIFTED THE FREAKIN SANCTIONS AFTER WE INVADED SO THEY COULD TRADE! BUT ONCE AGAIN YOUR TRING TO DRAW A NEGATIVE FROM A POSITIVE. IF IT WERE UP TO YOU THE PLACE WOULD BE OVERRUN BY THE MUJ AND AL-QUIEDA!
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I blame bombs, you know what bombs are, right? Assuming you do, our navy and pilots are indirectly responsible for many of those innocent lives, as well as terrorist attacks.
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REALLY?
WHO CALLS IN THOES BOMBS? THE TROOPS DO! THEY CALL IN FOR CLOSE AIR SUPPORT! SO WHO DO YOU BLAME HUH?!! THOES SAME BOMBS THAT WE WERENT ALLOWED TO CALL IN WHEN I WANS IN AR RAMADI BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF "COLLATERAL DAMAGE". A STRATEGY THAT COST AMERICAN LIVES BUT ALSO A STRATEGY THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU SEEM TO APPROVE OF! SO I GUESS THAT YOU BLAME THE BOMBS NOT THE PEOPLE WHO CALL THEM IN? TELL ME SOMETHING! HOW MANY BOMBS HAVE BEEN DROPPED ON IRAQ IN THE PAST 2 YEARS? HOW MANY BOMBS HAVE BEEN DROPPED ON CITIES THAT ARENT OVERWHELMINGLY RAN BY INSURGENTS?
YOUR EXTREAMLY SHALLOW FOR BLAMING OUR TROOPS FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE TERRORISTS! IVE NEVER SEEN A US BOMB DECAPATATE A WHOLE FAMILY! IVE NEVER SEEN AN US BOMB BLOW UP AT A JOB FAIR OR ELECTION CENTER! IVE NEVER SEEN AN US BOMB BLOW UP IN A CROWDED MARKET PLACE! IVE NEVER SEEN A US BOMB KIDNAP A WHOLE IRAQI FAMILY. IVE NEVER SEEN AN US BOMB BLOW UP NEXT TO A COALITION VEHICLE THAT DID NOTHING BUT INJURE ALL THE IRAQIS THAT WERE NEAR IT! YES DUMMY! YOU WANT TO BLAME THE BOMBS THAT OUR TROOPS CALL IN TO SAVE LIVES NOT THE IED'S, VBIED'S, SUCIDE BOMBERS, OR OUR ENEMIE WHO OBVOUSLY MURDERS THE INNOCENT TO GAIN INFLUENCE. WHAT A FREAKIN RETARD!!!
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Originally Posted by commonsense
There would be no one attacking our forces had we not entered to begin with.
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SO YOUR SAYING THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO ATTACK US BECAUSE WE INVADED??!! IS THAT IT!! YOU SYMPOTHISE WITH THE INSURGENTS DO YA!!?? WHY SHOULD THEY ATTACK AMERICANS?? THERE IS NO REASON!! WE ARE BRINGING THEM DEMOCRACY AND INVESTING IN THERE ECONOMY. JUST LIKE MOST IRAQIS WANT IN IRAQ! YET ONCE AGAIN YOU BLAME BUSH AND THE TROOPS FOR THE ACTIONS OF OUR ENEMIES WHO HAVE NO REASON TO ATTACK US AT ALL! UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING THAT WERE JUST A BUNCH OF TORTURING, RAPEING, MURDERERS, WHO ARE OPPRESSING THE IRAQI PEOPLE WITH NO REGUARD TO HUMAN LIFE? IS THAT WHAT YOUR SAYING? ELTS
STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR OUR ENEMIES!
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I believe the highest would be the commander in chief, among others...
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oh great! Thats just great. Now Ive got you down forn the "itas all Bush's Fault mentality and you reply by saying "well... its mostly Bush's fault"" ?? WOW! Please. If you want to feel three inches tall make sure you click on this video.
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Says who? Says the UN? The UN said to start the war? Our congress gave Bush the go-ahead to fight a war against terrorism after a war against a regime had been won, under the same ensign of the original legislation?
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Are you saying that Saddam broke no UN resolutions? Read the 1991 case fire agreement! It spell it all out for Saddam. DISARM AND SHOW US THAT YOUR DISARMING AND YOU WILL BE LEFT ALONE! IF NOT YOU WILL BE INVADED! DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? THE UN DIDNT STOP US FROM INVADING! MOST COUNTRYS BACKED US!
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Anyone who says we have lost is ignorant. We have certainly won the war, we won four years ago. I do believe our military's involvement will be indefinite.
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McCain was talking about a military base or perhaps overwatch! AND I AGREE WITH HIM! We are allready bringing the troops home!
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What enemy? The enemy of THIS WAR was defeated in two thousand and three. It is two thousand eight now. The only 'enemy' left are belligerent terrorists who don't comply with the status quo. There is no basis for a full scale involvement against this type of enemy, it will always be present in the region. Always. All the troops of the entire earth, protecting each citizen of Iraq, will not quell this type of suicidal enemy, everyone knows this. A full scale war with refractory independents is insane. Look at every guerilla war of antiquity. In other words, the 'surge' was only to increase security for our economic interests and is made altruistic from our direct involvement with the Iraqi people. When the surge is gone, security forces trained in Iraq should be strong enough to protect those economic interests. Do you think terrorists will drop their involvement, simply because the US is gone? I have a modest answer for this, HELL NO.
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Its called training the Iraqi Army to take our place! Do you not understand this mentality? Have you served with these guys? In some cities we have allready turned full cities over to them and we have moved in to an overwatch position! As soon as the Iraqi Army is at full strengh and training they will take our place! Have you not heard of this concept? Our job is to hold Iraq untill Iraq can
SUCCESSFULLY deal with the terrorist themselves. Pulling out irresponsive not only undermines the Iraqi people but it also undermines our national security!
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I haven't posted pictures of 'terrorists' because our enemy, which congress and the Bush administration so clearly stated in their declaration, was Saddam and his army. The continuation of this occupation is not to defeat any enemy, the enemy has long passed. The continuation is to create an infrastructure able to support democratic parties in order to bring peace to the country. All this could have been done using less money, with direct economic involvement; and NO American deaths. That is the reason I am so adamant about the issue. No one will be able to understand this without seeing the 'other side' of the war. AMERICANS DIED BECAUSE OF WEAK FOREIGN POLICIES. And yes, the external use of force represents an internal weakness. Whatever that weakness is, the state department, the security of America, the security of economy, whatever the reason; America declared this war based on anemic foreign diplomatic relations and fearful participation of her own constituency.
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BUSH BUSH BUSH! You can blame Bush all you want but no one in the world in his position would have done a better job! No war has gone as planned and we have less US casualtys in this war than any other long scale war in history! You can complain about polocys all you like but you wont find any politition that would have done a better job!