Originally Posted by Ronin-Talgar

Your conclusion clashes with your article- four Democrats knew, and there was "one known objection."

Perhaps Toby they held their tongues, seeing as Bush was so popular/some other reason? You really need to reign in the emotive language, doesn't help your case.

Doesn't seem particularily relevant to the discussion in any case.

Btw Billybob, just because it isn't the harshest form of torture, doesn't mean it shouldn't be condemned. Its passed a threshold, in the minds of those that oppose it.