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Originally Posted by commonsense
I have already answered these in the previous post. I feel no need to repeat it when you miscalculate my answer. You only want an argument, not to see other perspectives.
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Bombs? Yeeaaahhh.
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Originally Posted by commonsense
How are thousands dead a positive? This is my argument. Do you approve of the lives lost in Iraq? That should be the question here. And yes, the success is from $$$$$$, and troops securing it.
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Its not! But Ridding thoes who are making thoes thousands of innocent people dead IS GOOD!
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Originally Posted by commonsense
It seems those who use the words 'retard' the most, well, I'll let others decide. And again, it is our fault, everyone involved, from calling the bomb to its release, if it kills innocent civilians. Otherwise, who would you say perpetrated it? The terrorists?
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So our troops are at fault for the hundreds of thousands of iraqis that are dead not our enemies? I guess you would have had to been there to see the truth. Rarely are we allowed to drop bombs anywhere!
Myth: America’s presence in Iraq has led to 130,000-600,000 innocent civilian deaths.
This is a dangerously misleading statement.
This argument is made by people who want to blame our military for the actions of our enemy’s in an effort to advocate withdraw from Iraq. It’s not our troops that are killing the civilians. It’s the insurgents. In an attempt to sway the Iraqi people away from democracy the enemy intimidates them by murdering the families of those who work for the democracy. If you’re an Iraqi police man/ Soldier/ Politician, there is a good chance that you will come home to find your family beheaded in your own house. This is how terror works. This is the only way the enemy can win this war.
I cant tell you how many Iraqi Governors, Asst Governors, Policemen, Soldiers, Senators, and their family’s have been kidnapped or executed due to there association with their new democracy. But there is one message that has been made clear to the Iraqis. That message is that if you advocate democracy the insurgents will kill you and if they can’t get to you they will kill your family! They sway the votes of politicians by kidnapping their families and threatening to kill them, they blow up IED’s in crowded market places or voting areas, they stuff the dead bodies of children with explosives in an effort to destroy Americans, and they steal money from Iraqi businesses to fund their death machine.
Our troops aren’t murderers. Our Troops aren’t torturing people. They immunize the Iraqi families, they play with the Iraqi children, they drink chai “Black Tea” and smoke cigarettes with Iraqi men, and they weep over fallen Iraqi children! Our troops are fighting and sacrificing everything they can for someone else’s freedom simply because it’s the right thing to do and there is no greater love for humanism than that. Our troops are in no way shape or form killing innocent Iraqis on purpose. The ones that they do kill are a scratch in comparison to the ten to hundreds of thousands murdered by our enemy who is hiding behind the innocent! We should always keep in mind that letting this enemy win is not in the best interest of the Iraqi people and it isn’t in the best interest of the Iraqis!
Insurgent attacks
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Baghdad governor assassinated
CNN.com - Baghdad governor assassinated - Jan 4, 2005
Brother of governor assassinated in Baghdad
CNN.com - Gunmen assassinate two in Baghdad - Aug 29, 2005
Iraqi Prime Minister assassination attempt
CNN.com - Ex-Iraqi leader*claims assassination attempt - Dec 4, 2005
Iraqi Cleric survives assassination attempt
Powerful Iraqi cleric survives assassination bid - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Baghdad Governor shot dead. Zarquawi takes responsibility.
2ND LD: Baghdad governor shot dead, Zarqawi claims responsibility Asian Political News - Find Articles
Bomb kills southern Iraqi Governor
Bomb kills southern Iraqi governor - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
Bomb kills 14
Baghdad blasts kill at least 14 - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
Car bomb outside Mosque kills 7
CNN.com - Car bomb outside mosque kills seven - Jan 13, 2005
Suicide bomber kills 30 Iraqi police recruits
Bike-riding suicide bomber kills 30 Iraqi police - Yahoo! News
Gunman kidnaps 11 tribal leaders
washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines
Sheiks kidnapped after reconciliation meeting
Sheiks snatched returning from reconciliation meeting - CNN.com
Gunmen kidnap 24 in Baghdad within 30 minutes
Gunmen kidnap 24 in Baghdad - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
Iraqi school built with bombs as a trap
Military: New Iraqi school had bombs built in - CNN.com
IED kills children
Iraqi bomb kills four children on the way to school | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
Children used as bomb decoys.
Children reportedly used as bomb decoys - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
Bomb hidden in toy cart kills Iraqi children
ABC News: Iraq bomb in toy cart hits children in playground
26 Iraqis mostly children die in car bomb
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Children die in Baghdad car bomb
Bomb kills 18 women and children
Iraq bomb kills 18 women and children AFP - Find Articles
Suicide bomber kills children in school
Lorry bomb kills children in school - Times Online
Car bomb near soccer field kills 16 children and 2 women
Car Bomb Near Soccer Field Kills 16 Children, 2 Women in Ramadi - washingtonpost.com
Children killed in Iraqi bombing
BBC NEWS | Middle
East | Children killed in Iraq bombing
Decapitated bodies found in Iraq
Three decapitated bodies found in Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
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Originally Posted by commonsense
Okay, let us look at both sides here. If religious fundamentalists in the US were attacked by, say, an Islamic nation. They would revolt, maybe more than others, who knows? It has nothing to do with the regime, or the powers that be. It is simply retaliation on an influx in their lives, their land. I don't approve of them, I don't sympathize, but I can at least open my mind enough to realize how and why they are doing these things. If we never find the fundamental problem, there is no logical answer except 'blow them up'.
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Myth: The Insurgents have the right to defend against an invading Force.
This is the argument made by the most extreme liberals and leftist groups. In question format they would ask you
“Wouldn’t you defend against an invading force if they invaded your home?”. This is a stupid argument because we aren’t forcing the Iraqis in to an oppressive regime or government through murder, torture, and kidnapping as our enemy’s are. Were giving them democracy! We even give first aid to our enemies after we shoot them!
If that wasn’t outrageous enough, you will also hear the Liberals say “Didn’t we do the same thing in the American revolution?”. Of course the answer is no. We didn’t murder, kidnap, and torture the innocent families of those sympathetic to the British simply because the head of the household fought or worked for the British. And we know there were plenty of them.
Here is what they need to understand. The insurgents are murdering people and their families who support the Americans and the Iraqi democracy. They are going from neighborhood to neighborhood telling people that if they side on the side of democratic freedom as opposed to Islam, they will be killed! That is the difference between us and them. We don’t rule through terror or a religious ideology that mandates that we kill infidels. And the poll below shows that the Iraqis do not want to be ruled by a religious Ideology.
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