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Old 03-16-2008, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by raytri View Post
No, I think there should be restrictions on abortions. It should be very difficult to obtain one in the third trimester.
So you believe under certain circumstances it is alright to kill a child. Were I believe it is never alright, well unless there is risk the mother might die. As she is also a life and it would be wrong to also kill her just so the baby may live. My simple reasoning is life is precious everyone is entitled to life.

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I was simply responding to your claim about the sexual morals of people who have abortions.
I am sorry you have confused me with someone else who has posted on this thread. I never said anything about peoples sexual morals.



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Only if you believe, as a matter of ideology, that legally protected human life begins at conception. I don't. I do not think a fertilized egg has any particular legal rights. Certainly none that trump the mother's right to control her body.
Life has to begin somewhere and I believe that is at conception. I also believe the life should supercede the mothers right to kill.

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I do, however, think a 32-week fetus has legal rights, which often trump the mother's right to control her body.
So you are deciding when this life has legal rights, not at the begining of it's life, but after 32 weeks. Why not just give the right to live from the very begining. It makes no difference if it is 32 weeks old, or just at conception it is still a life regardless.

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So for me, the question is "how does a fetus accrue legal rights, and when?"
You are just after saying at 32 weeks, and I am saying it should have right at the very begining of it's life.

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I think the line is right around viability, where the fetus is capable of having an existence independent of the mother.
This is garbage so just because the child is dependant on the mother you feel she has the right to kill this life. Tell me after the child is born whoever it is dependant on then do you think they also have the right to kill it?.

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That's where I think the *legal* line ought to be drawn. But it should be up to every individual where their personal line is drawn. If you adamantly oppose all abortions, then don't have one. Also, feel free to try to persuade others to feel likewise.
I feel it should be illegal to kill a life inside of you. If we say it is up to the individual and what they feel is right, should the same rule apply to people who think about murder and such. Some things should be unacceptable in society abortion is one of them.

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We'll only have trouble if you seek to enshrine your all-or-nothing personal standard into law, forcing everyone -- even those who reasonably disagree with you -- to do it your way.
No in law that is how it is all or nothing. It is never alright to rob people in some circumstance. It is never alright to rape under some circumstances, and it should never be alright to kill under any circumstance.
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