Many props for JP5 ressurecting this thread.
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Originally Posted by JP5
Ronin quotes Obama as saying......."I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy."
And so????
The past few generations of whites in this country have also condemned, in unequivocal terms, what our forefathers did regarding slavery and laws that discriminated against blacks, too. Thus, all the changes to try and remedy thes past wrongs. BUT obviously, this latest view into all-black churches shows us that it's meant nothing. So, how long does it go on? How many more generations do they perpetuate and pass on the hate? Obama and some other black leaders talk about "moving on" and "coming together".....and yet, I don't see that they are making that effort. In short, I don't see them following MLK's quest to "judge people by their character and not the color of their skin." I see them perpetuating the hate, resentment, of whites and wanting to pass down the victim status to their children. Fortunately---and it's the only thing that is keeping me hopeful, is that not all blacks feels this way.
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Just as most black people don't feel this way, not all white people have moved on as completely as you suggest. This latest view is evidence of that too.
You don't see this speech as an effort to move on? I've seen responses, from people from both sides, presumably all races, and they are saying that it resonated with them. He calls both sides to account, and to emphasise that you face problems as one people, not as different races. You've echoed him: "For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past."
Like he said, don't judge Wright and his church on this alone- atleast reflect on the insight Obama gives into his church and Wright. As for saying that efforts to move past this have failed, as examplified by this church- not really, when its helped to produce someone who is clearly risen above the hate like Obama.
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And you won't see it anytime soon, at least until black America decides they have had enough of the flamed hatred from these guys, and the reason...MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They get rich and powerful spewing hate, and the bottom line is, well, the bottom line.........
Let me ask you this ronin, what was taken out of context? Are you saying all us rational and clear thinking humans couldn't dissect the contents of his hate?
Quit making excuses for this racist crap, it is pathetically sad, and it really makes those that defend this hate speech as racist as the one saying those things.
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What I highlighted here was to refute some people's claims that he didn't address the issue with his pastor- I don't see what angle he didn't address it from.
I really don't get how someone can look at Obama, and this speech, and say hes hateful- he confronts the issues and says that people have to get past any hate they have, to work together- "I am my brother's keeper" etc. Seems like the exact opposite.
What was taken out of context? What wasn't? Wright's few remarks from a twenty-year career? Wrights remarks out of context with reality- To me, alot of the stuff he said wasn't all that outlandish, and while angry certainly wasn't directed at a whole race (also myself being white, and liking America, I don't see how I'm a-hating by considering and agreeing with some of what he said). Now people are rallying to the cause of Obama's grandmother, as through he was insulting her- in context of the speech it makes pefect sense and was entirely respectful.
If he'd just jettisoned Wright, instead of defending him
and critiscising him, no progress would be made. His attitude is one of understanding the underlying problems of racism, and I respect him all the more for dealing with this as he did.