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Originally Posted by Taomon
How Dare I? Because our troops are not angels. They have a duty...to kill. The mercenary armies that we hired are killing civilians, which angers the populace. They retaliate, and they do not see one army or another...they are all American to them...and those mercenary armies are American people - armed and dangerous.
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ARE YOU CALLING OUR TROOPS MURDERS? ARE YOU ACCUSING OUR TROOPS OF MURDERING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT IRAQIS? HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ? HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE TROOPS? HAVE YOU SEEN THE ANBAR PROVENCE LATLEY!? ANBAR PROVENCE MAKES UP 1/3RD OF IRAQ! AND THEY COMPLEATLY KICKED OUT THE ENEMY WITH THE HELP OF OUR TROOPS! WHY? BECAUSE THEY WERE TIRED OF BEING MURDERED BY THE MUJ AND ALQUIEDA! I WANDER WHY THEY CHOSE US OVER THEM? BECAUSE WE ARENT MURDERING THEM! WOW! WHAT A CONCEPT! FIND ANOTHER ARGUEMENT! YOUVE LOST THIS ONE!
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Look at the pictures from Gitmo & Abu Ghraib, how dare you yell at me about how innocent our troops are when we see evidence of them committing atrocities.
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HOW MANY TROOPS YOU SAY? GIVE ME THE NUMBER OF TROOPS INVALVED AT ABU GRAIB. IM SURE YOU WILL FIND THAT THEY ARE IN THE LOWER DOUBLE DIGITS IF NOT SINGLE! AND YOU WANT TO MAKE A GENERALISATION OF ALL OF OUR TROOPS FOR THE ACTIONS OF A FEW FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BACK IN 2003! YOU HAVE NO ARGUEMENT HERE! NONE WHAT SO EVER!
GITMO? YOU MEAN THE SAME TROOPS THAT ARE HAVING COCKTAILS "A COMBINATION OF URINE, CRAP, BLOOD, AND SEMEN" THROWNE AT THEM AS THEY PASS BY IN THE PRISON? THE SAME TROOPS THAT HAVE HAS ASSAULT AFTER ASSAULT ON THEIR LIVES AT GITMO ON A DAILY BASES? AND OF COURSE YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE PRISIONERS THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO A LAWYER, 5 BRODCAST PRAYERS A DAY, ARROWS IN THERE CELLS POINTING TO MECCA, SKULL CAPS, 3 HALAL MEALS A DAY THAT COST MORE THAN THE FOOD WE FEED OUR TROOPS, AND ARE ACTUALLY GAINING WEIGHT! OH THOES POOR TERRORISTS!
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Fallujah was an act of revenge for the deaths of three Blackwater mercenaries. An entire district was attacked, including civilians.
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YES! THE FACT THAT THE TROOPS WERE ORDERED TO LEAVE FALLUJA AND IT WAS OVERRAN BY TERRORISTS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! GET REAL!
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There is film footage of an IED exploding and an American battalion opening fire on a children's soccer game (as they fired in every possible direction).
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LET ME SEE IT!
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There is countless footage of door-to-door raids by our service men & women as they violate the culture and rights of the Iraqi civilian population.
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LOL! YOU WANT TO SEE VIOATIONS OF CULTERUAL RIGHTS I SUGGEST YOU LET THE ENEMY HAVE THE IRAQI PEOPLE. YOU KNOW? THE SAME ENEMY THAT DECAPITATES THE CHILDREN OF THOES THAT SUPPORT THE IRAQI DEMOCRACY, DETONATED BOMBS IN CROWDED MARKET PLACES, HIDES BEHIND CIVILIANS AT MOSQUES, SCHOOLS, AND HOSPITALS? GOSH WE MUST BE HORRIBLE IN COMPARISON TO THEM! THEY MUST DESERVE TO TORTURE THE IRAQI PEOPLE! LETS GET THOES EVIL AMERICANS OUT NOW!!
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Originally Posted by Taomon
How much do we not see? How dare YOU attack ME when we both know that war is hell and there are always civilian casualties...especially when a country (the US) invades and occupies another country. But these are people we are talking about. If you truly cared about Iraqi civilians and the stability of that country, you would have us leave as well. We are the aggressors here so don't try and sugarcoat it by saying that a worse fate waits for Iraqis if we leave when we are the big bad wolf.
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I WOULD LOVE TO PUT YOU ON A PLANE TO WORK WITH OUR TROOPS FOR ABOUT 8 MONTHS! I WANT TO SEE YOUR FACE WHEN YOU SEE THE ENEMIE TORTURE CHAMBERS OF FALLUJA, OR THE DECAPITATED CHILDREN OF IRAQI CONGRESSMEN. I WANT YOU TO WATCH THE ENEMY BOMBS BLOW UP NEXT TO MOSQUES AND CROWDED MARKET PLACES. I WANT YOU TO TALK TO THE IRAQI POLICE/ARMY/AND POLITITIONS WHO'S FAMILYS ARE BEING KIDNAPED AND MURDERED! THEN I WANT YOU TO COME BACK AND CALL ME A MURDER TO MY FACE!
NOW IF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT THE IRAQIS WHY LEAVE THEM TO ISLAMIC EXTREAMISTS? ANSWER THAT QUESTION!
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Based on lies that the Bush Administration cherry-picked from historical reports. Saddam was more of a threat to our security when he was in our pocket during the Reagan years.
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YOUR FORGETTING ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION BACK IN THE EARLY TO LATE 1990'S! DO YOU WANT ME TO POST THE VIDEO AGAIN? THAT WAS THE SAME INFORMATION TRANSFERED OVER TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION! AND THATS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT CONGRESS USED TO CAST THERE VOTE!
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[color="blue"]So you don't blame Bush for lying to Congress or the UN...you blame Congress for believing the lies that Bush put together?
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YES THE LIES THAT BUSH PUT TOGATHER?
Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998. The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, signed into law by President Clinton, states:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
105th Congress, 2nd Session
September 29, 1998
http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#Lof9huGeMd
http://globalsecurity.org/wmd/librar...980929-in2.htm
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"The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.
The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people."
President Clinton
Oval Office Address to the American People
December 16, 1998
http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#kO7eVCiIta
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html
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"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live"
July 22, 2003
http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#wR6nIpoLli
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...ton.iraq.sotu/
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"Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, President Clinton's National Security Advisor
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998
http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#voY0lOeonG
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/02...22006_tpo.html
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The Guardian
February 6, 1999
Saddam link to Bin Laden
By Julian Borger
Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials.
The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq.
News of the negotiations emerged in a week when the US attorney general,
Janet Reno, warned the Senate that a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction was a growing concern. "There's a threat, and it's real,"
Ms Reno said, adding that such weapons "are being considered for use."
http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#tO6tWImvU6
http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...314700,00.html
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