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Old 04-02-2008, 09:43 PM
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@Celestial, you are using "liar" to refer to someone that is wrong, when, and this is just my limited understanding, it means someone who intentionally speaking things they know to be untrue. Not everybody is as infinitely knowledgeable on the subject as yourself. Who's to know whether Hegel actually even knew about these tribes of which you speak. I am completely okay with Hegel being wrong. I have some major beef with phenomenology. His thoughts on architecture are interesting, but again I have a major axe to grind there too. But "liar," I think, implies that he had cognizance of this resistance and chose to ignore it, which I find unlikely. It was a popular twist to romanticize the "noble native," and I think that this example that you sight would have been jumped upon like someone like Rousseau or even Hegel, despite his pessimism. I feel like the majority of your reaction comes from the need to defend the moral character of "native Africans" when that demographic is blatantly a construction of the imperialist power that Hegel is a theologian of. I think we are just taking Hegel out of context, as well as the evidence that you, Celestial, put forward. It takes a lot more than we can attempt to do here to make sense of any of this, talking about Hegel and slavery is biting off way more than we can hope to chew. I am fine with the verdict that he was ignorant, wrong, maybe at times a "liar" even though I don't like that word in this context... Us calling him racist is a bit peculiar because racism as we know it is a concept that is temporally situated and arose with the era of segregation; before that it was imperialism and slavery, yet I will assent to him being (anachronistically) labeled a racist. But I don't know if we really need to prove that the Africans had agency in this story. We can prove Hegel wrong, but he's already dead so any outrage we bring against him is really just because a nerve was struck within ourselves, not because we can change what he said.

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