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Originally Posted by Hornet
Well, my point isn't that the we are not in constant bondage, I am just saying that to muse upon the ways in which we are "enslaved" without the awareness that we can control of our fates in many ways can be destructive. By all means, we should not submit our wills to those who attempt to exploit us and rob us of our agency. But I feel like the stance of resistance is fundamentally a different one then a lamentation that we are all stuck in a world beyond our control.
And if you want to take this into a very conceptual frame of discussion then we can even challenge your views of desire themselves. Who is to say that our desires are not part of us? The language of psychology has largely inculcated within us a view that our desires and our insanities are not actually a part of us. This originally comes from, credit given to Foucault for this wonderful observation, the origin of insane asylums being catholic institutions called Lazarus houses, where the belief was that insane men and women were made insane by demonic, external forces. This is only one of many of the theses explored in Madness and Civilization, but effectively this has left us with this notion that madness is not something that is part of what we are but is instead something inflicted upon us that could hopefully someday be cured. The same is true of desires; we do not perceive the feeling of hunger to be our own, yet it is just as much part of our body as the stomach from which it originates. Or the desire for sex, is another. Someone can say "I don't want to have sex before marriage, yet I still feel the desire for sex" and can attempt to "remove" or "expunge" this desire, but that doesn't change the fact that that desire is part of us, even if we talk about it as if it was something with which we interact. Going even further, who is to say that desire is even necessarily a negative force that drives us to do things that do not benefit us or that ultimately end up costing us? Deleuze and Guattari propose that the fundamental essence of desire is that of production not just of consumption. The full details of that thesis are beyond my ability to easily recount, but the desired effect of bringing this up can hopefully still be produced; that desire is perceived not necessarily as something that leads us to procure things that we don't "need" to procure, or consume or experience or think things that we don't "need" to or that is not in our "best interest" to. Instead desire is the fundamental essence of all of our action, particularly the essence of creation. We are comprised of our desires just as much as any other part of "us" and those desires are a productive force.
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Not in constant bondage, well people rise up usually in extremists forms when they are being fooled.
I am not lamenting because I have decided to keep my will, all men who do that pay a heavy price.
I don't know if demons give me desire but to be alife you must desire something, our desires and insanities are part of us. Insanity is a result of not being able to cope, not being able to accept or cope or accept one is aslave, drives them insane because on one hand told they are free on the other told to give up their will.
The feeling of hungeris mine, I assure you if you do not eat you will die.
Desires are good things, I would say positive forces, the desire to consume and produce, are different, those who desire to produce are at a higher plain than those who desire to consume, I would say both desires exist simultaneously in all humans varying in degrees, a thief/ mobster obviously having more desire to consume than produce and a scientist/ industrialist having more desire to produce.
The slavers want to be seen as the producers the contributors of original thought and everyone else just to follow their lead, it is all over the papers, to be seen as the contributor to production one appears as the brains of a society by destroying those they consider to be slaves to merely desires consumption, unfortunately at times people want to produce it is when they react to subdue this threat even though what they consider a threat would just be another human using his/ her talent but does better than those who desire to enslave, then they crush this enemy, but that enemy was not aware they are en enemy.
Yes, desire is the fundamental essence of all our actions we should be allowed to desire, but they only desire to promote the desires of heir ethnic groups.
I am not a psychologist but I hope this answers you.