LOL! It's coming. God will tell her to do all kinds of weird (*)(*)(*)(*), but just to be on the safe side she'll have the McCain Campaign Plane blessed by an African witch doctor to chase out the evil hoodoos in there before she flies.

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Greetings Sparky,

I believe it is an error to say that Sarah Palin is part of the Third Wave Movement. It is my understanding that she is member of the Pentecostal Church also known as "Assembly of God Church". I am not a member of either but I know them well. They are commonly called "holy rollers" as an easy stereotype. Here is a Wiki link with more information on the Third Wave Movement
Click-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_W...he_Holy_Spirit

I have seen similar "church services" as the two at the top, and I can understand people living in an environment like Alaska's with nature surrounding everything and everything seeming to be at the will of "God" or at "God's" will. They are entitled to that. I don’t like doing business with 'some” Christians, but I wouldn’t want to live in a world without them. I wouldn’t want to live in a world that was all atheists. It might be a more dangerous world. I think it would be. The last example we had of that was Communist Russia, and now China as secular states.

I am personally an atheist. I do not fault those with religious beliefs, nor do I argue religion; I gave that up years ago. I can understand why people adopt religious beliefs. It offers a codified system of religious practice. It offers socialization with approximately like minded people. It offers a chance to do some good or good works as they would say, contrary to the view of many. I have known many doctors who donated years of their lives which could have been profitably spent practicing medicine at home in the US who went to Africa, on their own buck to offer their medical skills there at no cost to the Africans; both medical doctors and surgeons. This is an example of how religious beliefs can and do move people like Sarah Palins fellow church members, who hold religious beliefs, to serve charitably to the benefit of mankind.

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An athiest who doesn't attack Christians? Will wonders never cease?

Truthfully, I suspect there are probably lots of them ... but the only ones we ever hear about are the ones who try to force their beliefs on others.

This is not an attack on anybody ... especially not on the quoted poster, who seems quite reasonable.

Why is it that the Christians in this country are always being accused of trying to force their religion on others?

It probably is only a small portion of the atheist community, but I see far more atheists trying to force their religion (no religion) on people than I ever see Christians trying to force their religions on people.

Hear me out, here.

If a city goes and displays a nativity scene on public land, they are not forcing religion on anybody. Nobody is being forced to go and study that nativity and worship it. Nobody is being told that they have to go to a chuch and attend services because it is there. It does no harm, it is just a sign of the season.

If the city wants to diplay a nativity because the majority of its citizens are of a more or less Christian belief system, what is the harm?

If a city does not want to display a nativity, either because the majority of its citizens are not of the Christian belief system, or because it doesn't care to spend the money, invest the time, or anything else, what is the harm?

If the city is not allowed to display a simple nativity, not because the majority of citizens are against it, but because a small percentage of the population finds it offensive, then is not a religious belief of no religious belief being forced upon the town?

How about a metaphore.

I live in Orlando ... home of the Orlando Magic. When they are having an especially good season (I think it has been a while) there are signs and billboards posted all over town supporting the team. People are interested in them, people believe in them, people support them.

Now me, I am from CA originally, and I like the Lakers. I do not take offense at them liking the Magic. I do not try to tell them that they should not be posting signs on public property, routing on the team. I do not try to say that because I like a different team, I should not have to have my beliefs in my team challanged by their signs.

As for anybody telling me this is something completely different, are you sure? I know some fans who are very religious about their teams!

Bringing this back on topic, in the hope to not be deleted (we'll see if it works), while still reponding to the last post ....

In regards to Palin's church, I guess it all comes down to what percentage of the population thinks they are crazy and dangerous, and what percentage thinks they aren't. Followed by what percentage thinks the opposition's beliefs and plans are even more crazy and dangerous, and which don't.

We all have our opinions, and I notice on this forum that both sides think they have the majority of America behind them. Guess we'll have to wait until election day to try and find out which side has more people who agree more with them and actually get out and vote.

Sometimes I wonder if the numbers would change much if more than 20% of the population bothered to vote.

This is pure democrat BS and you know it.

It's not so much the attacks that are helping.
It's the fact that she's getting a lot of attention and the attacks are simply adding to that.

Really she's basically increased the mobilization of conservatives while riling up liberals.
The only reason we're seeing a larger bounce for conservatives is that the liberals were already mobilized.

It's all about the fence-riders from here... and I'll agree that keeping Palin in the spotlight is helping McCain. It keeps Obama from getting media attention and making his case to the crucial center.
McCain is counting on his reputation as a "maverick" to get the center by default if time runs out... meanwhile moving to the right and hoping to keep those aspects out of the media.

McCain is currently the one with the ball in his court right now as far as media control goes.

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Yu libtards leave Mrs MacCain alone!!

Sarah iz a Godly Wombman, and all you dummycraps are dooing is shootin yoreselves in the foot!

I will prey for all you demoncraps an lezboes to ether sea the lite or two bern in hell for ever, whichever won God choozes.

lator loosers,

Joe

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This is because Christianity is the dominant or majority religion, and in this country majorities are most frowned upon, as a way of finding a “devil”

this last is important; many like to talk a good game, but don’t back up their words with action, the vote

We can only hope that only “informed” people vote.

As an atheist I am made uncomfortable in religious circumstances, but I do not fault religious people, nor do I argue religion. Barring some sordid history, which we always hear about as if it happened yesterday: Withcraft Trials, burnings at the stake, the Spanish inquisition, I believe the Christian Church Particularly the Roman Catholic Church to be the greatest force for good that has happened to mankind since the birth of civilization. During the "dark ages" it was the organization of the Catholic Church that kept populations in Europe fed and clothed, and saved and transmitted western civilization to modern Europe, and by extent to the Americas. The second greatest force for good has been the institution of marriage. It is the cornerstone of the family and the main civilizing force for the human male, which can be brutish if given half a chance.

I think the only fault that churches like Sarah Palins would have with Obama’s Church would be the phrase "God (*)(*)(*)(*) America" and of teaching too much hatred of America. But that is the culture of a Chicago subset of more wealthy black people. Oprah Winfrey went to that church until she quit, fed up. I doubt very much if you would see the same sort of thing in southern black churches as you did in Obama's Chicago church. My own thinking is that no doubt Rev. Wright does a lot of good for the poor, but he is also playing at power games which feed jealousy, anger, and racist politics. Not a good way to unite people. Balkanizing Americans by dividing them into ethnic and other "us-and-them" divisions is promoted by fear from people with no other good ideas, and we have to look closely to see who promotes that. As far as I can see, Palin’s church only divides by making some of us “uncomfortable” with their piety.

But people have a right to be concerned, not about a church praising god, but about hatred being practiced in church. Partly the animosity which will be used to urge fear about Palin’s Church is done so by creating a formula of “relative morality” between Obama’s and Palins. (i.e.) well if you think Obama’s church is bad take a look at this….”

It seems to me that Rev Wright, the minister of Obama’s church promotes a lot of what Sarah Palins church is accused of, but no one has said that Obama shouldn't be president because of the church he attended. It was because he sat there and listened to those rants week after week, and then denied he ever heard it, and then admitted he had, giving lie to his earlier statements suggesting he may have actually agreed with them.

Actually I do understand why many blacks might feel aggrieved about the past, but to hoist it up at every church meeting is not going to help any of those aggrieved get over it. Still I don't think any of those Christian Churches; even those in which “God (*)(*)(*)(*) America” rings out would support death to innocents; a reason many Americans fear “Islamists”, but not Islam. That sort of thing Wright and a few others, particularly in the north enjoy just gets the juices flowing, especially the preacher's. I understand passion. I can feel passion in anger, or in love. I prefer love. I hope most of us know the difference. I know I do.]

Here are two videos showing Sarah Palin in church:
YouTube - The Sarah Palin Church Video Part One
YouTube - The Sarah Palin Church Video Part Two

Here is another to try to sow fear about her church, pasted together by someone who clearly knows more hatred and fear than love.
YouTube - Sarah Palin Wasilla Church Has Kooky Prophecy Sessions