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Wow, you really missed it? Really? Go to the link again, and scroll down. (Insert laughter devoid of evidence here)
Lets pause for a second and let this all sink in, you take the time to take screenshots, but
not read under a big bold print "Summary" listed below a graph I provide?
(Insert Meditation without evidence here
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Here's the Summary in your link
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Summary IPCC 1990, Mann 1999 and Moberg 2005 data overlaid. * IPCC hand-digitised from IPCC 1990 figure 7.1c (note: it has been assumed that the tickmarks on the y axis are in units of °C and that the middle of the three represents zero). * Mann from ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pal.../jones2004/jon
esmannrogfig5.txt</a> * Moberg from <a
href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v433/n7026/suppinfo/nature03265.html"
target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v433/n7026/suppinfo/nature03265.html</a
> By William M. Connolley.
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Could you bold or underline the part that explains what the red, black and blue lines mean?
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Originally Posted by SuperDinoYoshi
What statement? Ignore the
video, Was 1998 the hottest year in the past millenium?
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Stop trying to change the subject. You made a claim you had a link to a video in which Mann lied. Provide the link or admit Mann never made the "hottest year" comment.
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Oh, so its
funding now? (Observation without evidence) Why don't we talk about the Billions of dollars given by Al Gore specifically for research that supports his cause?[color=blue>claim without evidence[/color][(Insert dramatic "tables have turned" music here, without evidence) GreenPeace claims that ExxonMobil sends a couple million. (And if you believe what GreenPeace says its no wonder you believe in AGW (parenthetical point without
evidence))
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Last time I checked, 2 million > 5 billion (Mathematical statement without evidence)
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Incorrect 2 million < 5 billion
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So if money can corrupt scientists, the ones who agree with me are thousands of times less corrupt. (Another mathematical statement without evidence)[ (And when you try to respond to this by saying I don't have evidence, since you obviously are dumbfounded to actually respond, why don't you
show us yours proving skeptics are funded (Parenthetical prediction without evidence))
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Gladly. From Exxon's own website
From Exxon's own website American Enterprise Institute : $235,000 / Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change : $10,000 / Heartland Institute : $115,000 OK, I've named three. No show me three that Al Gore has supported specifically to support his cause.
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That there is NO scientist who attended any of these conferences or declarations who has done any climate research.
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How can I prove what doesn't exist? Oh, I get it. That's the idea. I can't find any peer-reviewed research by any of these "scientists".So unless you have some evidence to the contrary, I'll stick with my claim.
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What makes you? I would think people like the head meteorology professor at what is arguably the most prestigious technological school on the face of the earth, are qualified. (Foolish concept, without evidence)
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Because I'll
take the research and evidence of the professionals over opinions of "scientists". What professor and what school?
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Extreme enough hyperbole? You are
funny when you are angry
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How do you come to the conclusion that I'm angry? I'm having too much fun to be angry.
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You are backing yourself up by claiming well documented periods of climate history never occurred. Why do we have all of these paintings and writings of Industrial Cooling and a Medieval Warming? Why did the IPCC accept this back in 1990? Why did the IPCC completely replace Mann's entire section of the report when M&M so successfully rebutted his
"evidence"? Why does the new author cut off the most recent 50 years of climate history in his new hockystick?
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Huh? Where did I suggest that "documented periods of climate history never occurred." Industrial Cooling is not documented.
a google search of ("Industrial Cooling""Global warming") gives no relevant results. That's why I asked
you for evidence.
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So frankly, your elf argument holds more water than your old argument. It takes a smart person to abandon ship like that, and I applaud your foresight.
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What is a "20 year old theory"?
That CO2 has a warming effect on the atmosphere? That humans are adding CO2 to the atmosphere? That CO2 affects climate? Again which theory are you referring to?
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Quantifying the effect of our Co2 on temperature. Nobody can tell me
when to plan a fishing trip, but we think models (which can be made to show anything) can accuratley predict every single climate forcing and tell us what climate will be like in 100 or 1,000 years?
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20 year old?
try over 100 year old
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MannieD, how about you start answering my questions, reading my links, and responding to my posts instead of the tired "Claim without evidence" (claim without evidence) What was the last thing you provided as evidence? (question without evidence)
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How about you providing evidence for your initial claims? I provided the evidence you just chose not to read it and chose to ridicule it.
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No go look at the graph (yes, open it in your web browser) look at the summary, maybe even read some of the linked articles if you so desire, and then tell me what changed in 18 years to make the IPCC think they were drastically off-base with their previous interpretations of climate history leading up to Mann. (demand without
evidence)
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See the beginning of this post.
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Then provide ME some evidence for why man made aerosols have a global cooling effect. (further demand
without evidence) For giggles, why don't you actually answer SOMETHING this time? (sarcasm
without evidence)
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I'll provide with you links when you support your claim on Industrial Cooloing and link me to Mann's "lying".