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This response by Geoff Nunberg sums it up.
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His evidence is anecdotal, there will be situations in his example like that, but they will be the exception and not the rule.
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Or as %&%& mentions
Seriously the ACLU had a score of 49.8 49.8, putting it just on the "conservative" side of the ledger. Shouldn't that alone tell you this study is flawed.
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Not really because maybe it means the ACLU has a better perception among conservatives than thought. More importantly, as you look across the list nearly all except a small handful appear on the correct list as one would think.
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This flaw shows up constantly through the study. You can see one of the many problems in determining it's system here:
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Except Don Rumsfeld is not a think tank and quoting a think tank is far more unusual than Rumsfeld or any other cabinet member.
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As for your quote from the study, it didn't happen
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Yes it happened, it is explained right in the study that they did it.
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You will see now how both assertions will fit into this.
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Actually they explain it nicely and cover it in the report
Because of this anomaly, in the Appendix we report the results when we repeat all of our analyses but omit the ACLU data.
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The part in Red is what you addressed. This is what should have been done.
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That is incorrect, the point is to show how they align ideologically. Positive references provide that, a negative reference would only skew the score artificially to the right if R's constantly attack them.
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Seriously I found about 20 more studies that have debunked the Groseclose and Milyo Study. It would literally take me weeks to go into the details.
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Seriously, I could find just as many that support it.
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You did not prove that the owners of media outlets are exceedingly liberal. Please show all of them and who they voted for. As for relevant figures how is the music industry or the movie industry relevant to the media (News).
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I showed who they support financially, and it is the Democrat party. And in terms of what companies, here they are. And they all support dems with the exception of two. And the "conservative" Clear Channel was barely over 50%. The other
18 were all dems. And of course all the big ones support D's like Comcast, Time Warner, Disney (ABC), News Corp, and GE (NBC/MSNBC).
http://www.opensecrets.org/industrie...B02&cycle=2008
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You didn't debunk it. You named two WW2 presidents. I said liberals don't bomb countries meaning actual liberals and not pretend liberals under the guise of the Democrat Party. Please show me where liberals are for bombing countries. Also most liberals do not agree with American Foreign Policy that every President including the Democrats have partaken in. (eg. support for Israel, Saudi Arabia, ignoring environmental laws, embargo on Cuba, CIA killings...etc). Sorry, not liberals.
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Yes, it was completely debunked. They refer to themselves as liberals. Other liberals refer to them as liberals. And historians refer to them as liberals. The
only one saying they are not liberals is you. And your opinion does not outweigh their own reflection, historians and the numerous others. I proved where liberals bomb countries, FDR and Truman. And that's just in the US. Stalin/Lenin, Pol Pot, a number of others.