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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
There are limitations to purely logical thought.
That is the GIST of my side of this debate.
Science alone, rational thought alone leads to nothing.
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Correct. Science is simply a
tool for understanding the universe. It says nothing of what you should do in the world or what kind of person you should be. Science isn't everything.
Religion, however, is not simply a complement to science. Religion dares to say not only who you should be and what you should do, but also makes claims about how the world itself works: This is the realm of science, and they often conflict.
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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
It explains nothing.
IT OBSERVES.
That all it does my friend.
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Somewhat correct. Science is the process of observing
and modeling patterns in our observations. Understand that there's a difference between modeling (description) and explanation. You are correct that science does not seek to explain why the universe behaves like it does. Asking that question is outside the function of science, and answering it is certainly not within the power of science. One can consider this question, however, in the more general realm of philosophy, although you'll never get anywhere. Philosophers have been trying to prove God's existence for centuries.
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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
Observes from the perspective of humanity.
This is not TRUE reality, it's only a perspective based upon observation.
Most of rational thought is merely observing a consistent pattern and deciding well that's a "law of physics" or "law of thermodynamics" or "conservation of mass"
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Of course we observe from our own perspective. What other perspective do we have? Just because our perspective is limited does not mean we can use any other perspective: It is the only one we can use. We have no choice. The "true reality" is unknowable. To have faith in something beyond mere observation doesn't give you "true reality". A limited perspective may only show you pieces of reality, but anything you have to have faith for most likely isn't even a piece of that reality at all. Science may not be sufficient to provide you with all the answers, but faith gives you nothing further except comfort.
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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
yet it denies there is intelligence behind it.
It just Observes.
That's all your logic really is...it's empty.
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Science doesn't deny that there is intelligence behind the universe. It simply doesn't incorporate it into any of its working theories. If God were somehow observable, then he would be within the realm of science... because scientists would observe him, but no such observations have been made. Philosophically, it's conceivable that such a being exists outside observation, but if God is unobservable, we can't know: We have limited perspective. Besides, what's the point in acknowledging the existence of something that you can't interact with at all?