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Old 04-13-2008, 12:19 AM
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The fact that life exists in the first place, and science can't explain why, is a form of proof that science only explains a tiny chunk of the overall truths of life.
Right, such progress did not come from faith. It came from calculations and observations.
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There's no scientific proof or theory to explain why we have drive, imaginations, spirituality, love, and many other qualities that clearly point towards the existence of a soul in each of us.
Simply untrue. Studies on the human brain do prove such things. No such study on the "soul" exists; at least not one with any such proof.

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Take a closer look, and you'll see there's more proof of the existence of a soul and higher power (what you choose to call it, God or whatever, it doesn't really matter), than there this is proof that we are just a result of one gigantic accident (the only theory an atheist could muster, and one which lacks any proof or thought).
Put up or shut up. Let's see your proof.
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Why are people born with natural abilities that were not taught (you could say "genetics", but then you're left with explaining what built those genetics in the first place.)
Evolution.

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Why do people and animals naturally fear certain things, even if they have no experience relating to what they fear?
Species fear what they do not understand. For a test case, if you have a pet, sneak up on them with 2 pots or pans and start bashing them together. If they aren't already accustomed to such an occurence they will run away or at least be startled. Unless they are already accustomed to such a thing.

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Why do we want to survive so bad? What's in it for us, if we have no soul?
Fear of death.

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And the money question: how did all of us end up here in the first place. Without some type of reincarnation-based theory, science has nothing to answer this question.
Religion has an answer, based on no proof whatsoever. Science doesn't jump to such conclusions.

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So you can claim that "atheist" rely on "proof" (whatever that supposed to mean, as science has provided no proof when it comes to the bigger questions),
Wanna compare the proof science has provided with the proof religion provides to make the claims that they do?
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but if you really sit down and think about it, there's too much evidence that a soul and a higher power exist to possibly deny that there's something more to life then animated matter living for 80 years then rotting forever.
Point set match. Put up or shut up. Lets see what proof you have to back up such a claim.

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I believe it's not accident that every human culture has a foundation in spirituality, it's simply a result of the fact that we all, somewhere deep down, no the truth about the nature of the soul and the universe. But we keep it hidden from ourself, most of the time, so we can enjoy the moment.
No, religions have been created by humans to explain things they could not understand. That explains the vast amount of differing religions and their own contradictions and failures.

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On top of that, the atheist idea that we're all soulless zombies just doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things. We're to complex (just look at the intricate design of the brain alone) for that to be a viable explanation. If you're about proof, show me some proof that humans are nothing but zombies that materialized from a random "big bang" explosion (that seems more far fetched than any religious myth).
Big bang is just a theory. It cannot be proven. Neither can creationism. Funnily enough those that believe in creationism have also believed in other myths that have been disproven.

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We are born with the instinct to survive,
Yes exactly. Survival of the fittest. Evolution; a once theory that has been proven to be a real process. It has been observed, documented, and proven.
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so it's in the soul's nature to hide these truths from the brain (and atheism is the most extreme result of the brain being spiritually blocked from the truths of the universe).
Since you're claiming that truths exist, I must require you to prove them.

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But it's also dangerous, because people who believe we have no souls are more likely to act soullessly, and have apathy towards all other living beings
hah, religious people throughout history have displayed worse than apathy toward other humans. Atheists certainly have had their own evil people but due to scientific enlightenment we do have a better understanding of the consequences our actions have on fellow humans and the planet we live on. Not to mention our belief that we only get one chance to live our own life and make whatever differences we can.
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(which leads me to believe that many so-called "Christians", such as the hate filled neocons, are atheists in practice, as they show little regard for the lives of humans or other animals; they behave NOTHING like the man that their religion is named after).
If Christians had behaved passively like Jesus did, they would have been wiped out completely thousands of years ago. They could not spread their faith nor "benefit" humanity with their beliefs if they were killed off.
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