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Originally Posted by Rotaerk
You are correct. As I personally have said a few times on this forum, science has limited purpose and power. Consciousness cannot be observed, and therefore inherently cannot be modeled by science. Similarly, if there is nothing observable to indicate what occurred before "the big bang", science will never model that either.
I do not understand, though, how your own existence is proof of God. You are saying: If I exist, then God exists. To me this seems to be the fundamental assumption made by theists in which lies the flaw of theism. It seems like a rather arbitrary assumption. Explain to me how you derive the existence of God from the existence of oneself, please. If you can show me this, I'll definitely become a theist.
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you know, I never use scientific way to prove my religion. I did study mathematics, I placed 60 in Student Mathematic Olympiad in Iran when I was 15, I surely know the logical way, and I use it everyday in university to prove things. I was atheist once, I born in a rather atheist family. my faith is my personal experience. I can't say how I got my faith. I couldn't find a need, and didn't feel God back then. I just felt another way. it was like a new tool to understand the world beyond logic. I can't explain it to you, but I hope that you will become a theist.
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Also, "scientist" is an abstract word... a word meant to refer to people who use science. It does not mean that they use only science in their approach to the world. Logic, philosophy, humanity, love, intrigue, etc all play a role as well. Science is merely their approach to determining facts and making predictions about the world itself. Many scientists are philosophers who ponder questions such as the existence of God, the nature of consciousness, or the beginning of the universe. They simply do not look to science for answers to these questions, because that is beyond its scope.
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I mean those who lead the first lines of science in today's world by "scientist".
ALL OF THEM, even religious ones, never take religions and spiritual issues serious enough to start researching on them.