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Originally Posted by Perham
you know, I never use scientific way to prove my religion. I did study mathematics, I placed 60 in Student Mathematic Olympiad in Iran when I was 15, I surely know the logical way, and I use it everyday in university to prove things. I was atheist once, I born in a rather atheist family. my faith is my personal experience. I can't say how I got my faith. I couldn't find a need, and didn't feel God back then. I just felt another way. it was like a new tool to understand the world beyond logic. I can't explain it to you, but I hope that you will become a theist.
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First of all, I didn't ask for a scientific way to prove the existence of God: There is none, since God is unobservable. I asked for a
logical argument/proof/deduction that explains "I exist, therefore God exists". Experience is never justification in itself, although sometimes it
leads to revelations, such as "Aha! So
that is the logical argument for God's existence!" But you seem not to have one. It seems you just felt like believing in God due to some emotional experience, and on a whim, did so.
Logic is ultimately just organized thought. Its scope of usage goes beyond merely understanding the world but also into the realm of philosophical questions (such as the existence of god, the nature of consciousness, etc). To be illogical is to be unthinking, driven by emotion and instinct.
Be careful not to lump everything non-religious together. Science, logic, math... they're not one and the same.
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Originally Posted by Perham
I mean those who lead the first lines of science in today's world by "scientist".
ALL OF THEM, even religious ones, never take religions and spiritual issues serious enough to start researching on them.
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Actually, religion is a topic of study in science. Religion is an observable phenomenon and as such, science can model it. The
claims of religions, on the other hand, are either A) supported by science, B) shown to be inconsistent with observations, or C) deemed out of the scope of science.
In the case of A, there aren't any issues. In the case of B, this is where science and religion clashes the most: Religious people tend to prefer the facts of their faith over the facts of the senses, whereas scientists always favor the observed facts over current beliefs. In the case of C, if you want science to find you answers, give up: It can't. Science will never prove that God exists, unless he makes himself observable.