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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
All the more reason we are responsible for our actions my friend Rotarek.
I think God does reveal Himself, at least His work. He acknoweledges, I beliive, that despite our relatively large brains and self-awareness, we need a nudge every now and then.
He reveals Himself in the complexity of his Creations.
We are exploring the human genome and the small differences in it that can separate us from our primate relatives. A protein here, a protein there...yet we are not chimps, our species put a Man on the moon, we've sent an object outside of our Solar System. We've conquered rivers with Dams, built sky scrapers, we've conquered the air and the sea with our intelligence.
A chimp uses a stick to catch termites...
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The world is definitely complex. However this is not a revelation of God. In order for someone to reveal themselves, they need to do something which can be directly traced back to them.
If I were to dig a hole in the ground, anyone who didn't see me actually dig it would have no clue that I was the one who did it. By digging the hole, I have not revealed myself. There are many other possible causes of the hole being there. If I were to stand on the hole and shout "I DUG THIS!", that would be a revelation.
The complexity of the world certainly could be the result of a designer, but its mere existence is not a revelation of said designer. It only indicates that somehow, it came to be that way. There are many possible explanations, intelligent design being only one of them.
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Evolution and God are not incompatible.
Science and God are not incompatible.
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Correct, they are not incompatible, which is why I never mention science or evolution when debating the existence of God.
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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
On the contrary, every new discovery, every new understanding strengthens my Faith. Maybe God has created an infinite number of these Universes, maybe he has Children of His own in all of them...I don't know...but I do not question a God capable of Creation. His work is enough for me to know I am a believer.
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As I've indicated above, this is backwards reasoning. In terms of logic, let's let C be "The world is complex" and GE be "God exists".
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you seem to do is notice that C is true, get baffled by the complexity and jump to the nearest conclusion: that it must have been made by someone more intelligent than you, and deduce that GE is true. Bafflement is not a valid proof that C -> GE.
Now when you see more examples of C being true, they inspire the same bafflement and amazement, thus causing you to erroneously deduce the same thing. This is not how evidence works: Evidence is not that which makes you feel better about your beliefs.