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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
I ask the age old philosophical question..
Does knowledge cease to exist if the thinker of the knowledge ceases to exist?
Tree in the forest thing, just differently worded.
A rock does not perceive itself as influenced by gravity or it's place in the Universe, it just is.
Therefore if you take humans out of the equation, the Universe just is. It has no awareness at all of itself?
So the physical laws and the mathematical constants and the precision of it all cease to exist along with it?
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Knowledge does cease to exist if there is no mind to hold it. Knowledge is a model of aspects of the universe. Knowledge is
not the universe itself. Physical laws are a kind of knowledge which models physical tendencies/patterns within the universe. The laws cannot exist without a mind to notice them, but the tendencies/patterns will remain. Mathematical constants are simply part of the models of the universe. They are, in fact, dependent on the models.
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Originally Posted by Herkdriver
Taking that a step further, it could be argued that the Universe has intelligence.
Human beings derived from it,
we think.
Therefore we are.
We are part of the Universe therefore the Universe has intelligence.
Why does Science attempt to take us out of the equation...we are an intricate part of the Universe.
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Science doesn't ignore humans... the fields of anthropology, psychology, archaeology, etc... are all studies of humans and aspects of humans. If you're talking about thinking of the universe as a system and including humans in that system, that's what living systems theory is a model of.