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Old 04-15-2008, 03:14 PM
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There are differences again -- Greek and Roman are far too old to compare in this. I will use German and Japan for that purpose, since they are your examples.
There are always differences but history is replete with constant examples of cultures conquering others and then having their culture adopted by the conquered, even with the muslims conquests. Its actually far more common than the conquered maintaining their culture unaffected, which is very, very rare.

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Firstly though, we do NOT support the internal dissidents in Iran.
Sure we do. Its just done covertly. You are extremely naive if you think we are taking a hands-off approach inside iran.

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If you say we should be helping them, it would be fitting to try that before war, no?
In theory, yes. But, then we have been doing exactly that for decades and yet we are in a defacto state of war already, fighting each other in iraq. the reality is that the iranian regime is not going to be destroyed without the USA making it happen. And, we will.

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Every society is capable of democracy, but not in the context of what WE view as democracy.
Perhaps. I believe people of all races are certainly capable of democracy. But, the islamotard ideology is incompatible with Western concepts of freedom so the only way its going to happen is if they abandon islam or at least confine islam within a democratic framework, something in complete contradiction with the nature of islam.

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We just have a bunch of illiterates explaining what their view on religion is, without any reference of history. And even with Christians, the combination of the two was a deadly force in the Crusades and other wars.
This is incorrect. The muslims certainly are referencing history, the history of muhammed and islam, a history of violence and totalitarianism. It is you that wishes to ignore the history of muhammed and islam in favor or some hope for the best fantasy that it will somehow eventually change, and only will change if we don't fight it. further, the Crusades were a reaction against the muslim aggression thats been going on ever since muhammed started spreading his stupid cult.

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There will never be a McDonalds on every Muslim corner. To believe this is a victory is foolish -- there is a cultural difference between Iraqis and the "West" (and I use that term loosely). You think Japan adopted our culture?
Just exactly what people said about Japan, and yes they certainly have adopted our culture. people like you said we could never force them to abandon their emporer in favor of democracy. They have, they have McDonalds, and yes, they love us, which is why they are now creating a real military for the first time since WWII so they can help us against the islamotards.

Finally, you can't justify the iranian regime with the invasion of iraq. iran has been committing acts of war and war crimes against the USA and the world long before we invaded iraq.
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