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Me: Because I believe they will spin the facts in whatever way gives them a personal advantage.
What exactly are you talking about here?
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The reason I would not trust Russia to be a neutral observer.
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Me: The EU-friendly portion of Serbia might. You just said yourself that about half your population wants EU membership. If they want it bad enough, they might be willing to compromise by recognizing Kosovo independence.
People of Serbia disagree about whether to join Russia or EU. Every single person is united on Kosovo situation, and nobody supports it or will ever support it.
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Emphasis mine. You have no way of knowing that.
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Me: All I said was that Sunnyside isnt Albanian. I didnt misquote you. Technically, I didnt put words in your mouth.
Then who said that Sunny Side is Albanian.
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You implied it...I responded with a fact (Sunnyside is not albanian). You then claimed I put words in your mouth.
I never put words in your mouth. I simply pointed out that Sunnyside isn't Albanian as far as I know. Which is true. Stating a fact is not putting words in your mouth.
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So from whom exactly were you defending him?
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I did not defend him. I stated a fact.
From what I have seen, he can defend himself quite nicely.
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Or better yet, why did you have a sudden urge to say that Sunny Side is not Albanian?
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To clear up any possible confusion. It seems to be a variable with you.
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Me: The reason I didnt acknowledge it is because you have not proved that they lied. At best, you proved that their estimates were wrong.
I dont have to prove anything to you.
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If you want to convince me of your position you do.
If you don't want to convince me of your position, then I'm not sure what the point of your response is in the first place.
You asked why I did not acknowledge that they "lied", and I gave you an answer.
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You have to sort it out for yourself.
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I don't accept your premise, and it isn't up to me to find evidence to support your own claims. If
you are making the claim,
you are expected to provide the evidence. Your accusations are not correct by default.
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You have to decide who to believe.
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I am not taking your word for it that they lied.
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I just wanted to put in your head that there is another side out there as well.
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Then your effort was pointless. I already knew that. You have told me nothing new.
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When you say that I proved that their estimates wer wrong I have to ask you how can you trust them again?
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I trust them more than I trust you. They have to answer to the media and to their superiors. You dont. They are under public scrutiny. You are not.
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They already were wrong one time what makes you think that they won't be wrong again.
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See above. I dont assume they are by default. Whether they are accurate or not is irrelevant if all alternative sources are less accurate than they are.
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How about Iraq? Were they wrong there too?
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Nonsequitur.
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When you applied that their estimates werw wrong to me it is like you said well, it is collateral damage. You try and convince the person that lost a family member of a collateral damage.
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Collateral damage is not deliberate.
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My point is you can not be wrong in these situations.
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Why?
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It is not something that can take it back. I personally don't believe in apologies.
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Which is fine. But killing someone by accident is not the same thing as shooting them deliberately.
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Me: A mistake is not a lie. A lie requires intent.
This is not some domestic dispute where a lawyer of one party is trying to prove that the wife deserves the house. Please stop with this.
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Request denied.
Semantics are relevant to this discussion. If the words both mean the same thing to you, why use the word "lie" at all? Why not just say "mistake"?
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Mistake on this level, a level that requires a bombing of another country is a lie.
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I disagree. The level is irrelevant. A lie requires intent.
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You tell me how many people suffered consequences of these mistakes. How many of them were fired for their incompetence?
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I have no idea. I don't know the details surrounding each individual that made the decisions.
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Me: Serbia is not a nuclear power. So there is no potential for a nuclear war if we interfere with their oppression
So it is OK to bomb a smaller country, a country that can not defend itself and impose your will on them?
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In order to stop their oppression of another people? Yes, it is ok to do that.