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Old 04-16-2008, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotaerk View Post
I understand that within your faith, there are things which are absolutely good and absolutely bad. Similarly, to me there are certain things which I find absolutely right and absolutely wrong. However, neither case implies that right and wrong are absolute. In fact, the difference in our views of right and wrong is a prime example of why it is not absolute.

Even if God himself told me "this is right, and that is wrong", I won't suddenly change my views on right and wrong. God simply has a different opinion, one that happens to be enforceable by a power that is absolute. You say God is the essence of good? Well obviously, if he's defining the standard by which you judge right and wrong... I'm the essence of good by my own standard too.

If God exists, then yes, there is a standard which can be enforced absolutely. This is similar to the law. I may not agree with the law, but it is absolutely enforceable within the country. However, that doesn't make the law the final word on what is right and wrong.

Furthermore, this battle of which you speak is within your mind. The so-called "evil" people you fight do not usually hold the same dichotomy of right and wrong that you do. They don't choose to be evil. They merely live by a different idea of what's right and wrong. They may not even be aware that you're trying to fight them, and then when they do become aware, they consider you evil for attacking them. The Islam extremists who demolished the trade centers were fighting evil in the war that lies within their own minds.

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Oh, and I have read some theist philosophy. I read five proofs of the existence of God, one of which was Aquinas's. I demonstrated that all five were fundamentally flawed. I do not recall which they were, but if you want to present me with one to evaluate, I would be more than happy to do so.

God's existence cannot be proven by any human being.

I will not attempt to do so.

Pick an issue, I can use rational thought to back up any basis of my Absolutes in God's authority.

Abortion for example.

One cell of a newly formed egg/sperm zygote contains contains two copies of each chromosome, one from each parent. Egg and sperms cells, on the other hand, each contain only one copy of each chromosome.

Separate life.

Separate mitochondrial DNA.

One CELL.

We were ALL just ONE CELL!

The miracle of Life!
That's Science.

No talk of God, no talk of absolutes.

Science.

I present the Conservation of Mass~ aka Lomonosov-Lavoisier law
the equivalent to matter cannot be created/destroyed.

What is the origin of this "stuff" we call the Universe?

Science offers no PROOF of origin, just that it exploded in a "Big Bang".

Theory is NOT proof.

God can neither be proven or disproved.

My challenge to you is, PROVE to me in Mathematical terms that God does NOT exist?

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