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Old 04-18-2008, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotaerk View Post
You perfectly demonstrated that you do not understand what logic is. Check out this wikipedia article for a crashcourse: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Logic/Propositional_Logic. It is the most fundamental part of logic, although it extends into "higher order" logics which are built on top of it.

"I see an apple fall from the tree, therefore I infer a force is acting upon it." may be an inference, but it is not a logically valid one.

Now, a logically valid argument is one in which the conclusion is absolutely true given the premises. That's what logic is ... deriving statements which are absolutely, unquestionably true, if the premises are true. Hence my statement "deriving truths from other truths".

Logic is practically useless though, until you have a truth from which to derive others. I may not know that Fuzzy the cat is completely black, but I do know for certain that if Fuzzy is completely black and if something being completely one color means that it is has no other color on it, then he certainly, absolutely, unquestionably has no white on him. That is logic.

Logic is not making intuitive guesses, such as that a force is acting on the apple to make it fall.

Also, logic does, in fact, not break down when addressing quantum level physics. The only thing that changes is that the Classical Physics model no longer applies. There is no context in which logic necessarily breaks down, but there are people who can't apply it in any context.

You are semantically avoiding the debate.

You have not grasped that Logic is a human construct, it's foundation does not exist outside of human experience. That is not a Universal Truth.

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"it's all in your head dude" isn't just a Euphemism.

Maybe you majored in Philosophy or something, I don't know...what exactly are we debating again?

Oh yes, prove God exists...ontologically, in other words quantitatively.

Well, I can't.

You INFER then, that something can only exist unless it can be defined quantitatively.

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