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Originally Posted by 97240sx
Can you show me where it is defined as such please? I apologize ahead of time for my ignorance on this. What I might argue is that government itself is divided and left to interpret the constitution. Conservative judges certainly interpret it differently than liberal judges and most issues are divided cleanly along party lines; for example in 2000 when Bush lost the popular vote but was essentially elected by the supreme court.
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Secular Humanism? You want me to show you where the combined concepts of secular and humanism are define by their advocacy that government is the final authority?
Sure... Using Webster's Collegiate 2008, let's start with: Secular:
of or relating to the worldly or temporal.
and quickly turn to: Humanism:
A doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; especially a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism (Now that's God in case you missed it...) and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason<< ROFL... I love that part... Clearly this was written by one of YOU.
So when we combine the two concepts to establish the conjunction we see that a secular humanist is one that is an earthly person who rejects the existence of God and lives upon the doctrine centered on human interests or values; thus the only authority that such can recognize would therefore be that authority relative to humanity... now Scooter; follow me closely here... there is no greater power to be found relative to humanity, than that of human government.
Now I hope that helps...
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While it is certainly important to know where the majority stand, we have agreed that they are not always right.  However, they are not always wrong either.
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Here's the thing sport... there is ABSOLUTELY NO... NONE> NADA> ZILCH correlation between the popularity of a given position and the validity of that position... PERIOD.
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Opinion polls are just that, opinions. Wouldn't it be funny if they had a "fact poll?" Imagine how many people would get it wrong.
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Polls are fine... what's NOT fine is the use of polls to push opinion... which is what the left uses them for, as I've already pointed out.
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Like if they asked devout Catholics how the same fossils ended up on two completely different continents, then how many of them would answer... "God put them there." Or if they asked the question, "why does the sun rise?" How many would answer: "God makes the sun rise."
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God did put them there... given that God created the universe and the elements within it, he in effect put it all there... without regard to where there is.
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Now any sane educated person could tell you about plate techtonics over millions of years and that the earth rotates at 1,000 mph and revolves around the sun at about 66,600 or so miles per hour.
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ROFL... You're really proud that you can explain the elementary physical processes which resulted from God's creation, even while you deny God's existence, don't ya?
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So let's assume you're a duck. And let's assume that you can't swim and you have brick tied around your flippers pulling you to the bottom of the lake. Don't like my scenario? Well it's just as insane as yours is.
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Insane? Why you just want to use the oddball exception to define the norm... now what could be insane about that?
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I would not be able to deduce your main idea if your thread title didn't spell it out.
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I'm guessin' you're correct on this one... I sensed that about you right off...
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I'm guessing from your scenario you are trying to get atheists to call out to God in their moment of need? Is that correct?
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No... not at all, as that is a certainty. What I'm doing is illustrating the vacuous nature of the atheist position, wherein they claim to be advocates of human rights, while rejecting the source of that Right...
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Also I might deduce that your main issue is abortion since your scenario involves killing of "innocents." If you have something to say, just come out and say it.
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It’s a principle sport... it crosses many issues, murder of the innocent being only one of them. The point is that where one establishes the rationale for one, that in doing so, one established the premise on which the rationale for one’s own destruction will rest... It's not complicated. When you deterine that the pre-born human have no rights, that because you possess the power to end their life, you can... you establish that YOU have no rights and all that remains to complete the circle is for someone to splice up a juicy rationale for why YOU should be executed... perhaps even the same one; wherein it may be said that you've just become inconvenient.
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The issue of abortion is difficult because there is an imposition of rights against both parties.
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Nonsense... There is no Right to take human life absent valid moral justification. "I'm not ready to raise a child" is not a valid moral justification.
The Mother's 'Right to Choose' was exercised fully when she rolled over and gave her expressed permission for a male to enter her body. At that point SHE HAD MADE HER CHOICE! It is through abortion that she seeks to escape responsibility for that decision.
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That's why your scenario is skewed. You don't include a party to represent the mother and her rights.
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It's your inference which is skewed... As stated above the scenario is much closer to the Holocaust, the Iraqi National Socialist attack on the Kurds, the Communist Purges in The Soviet Union, China, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam and Cambodia than abortion, but the principle remains the same.
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You put the atheist in place of the unborn child. Then again maybe I've read too deep into your argument and you indeed have none, as I have read now a couple pages back at others' comments.
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Well I don't sense you as one that lingers at depth... so that seems fairly unlikely.
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Edit: Maybe I go about this the wrong way. What are you searching for exactly?
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I'm going for exposing the left as a unmitigated farce; an ideology void of valid principle, wholly discredited and thoroughly loathsome on every level and without exception... and I want to thank you for your help.
"Ya done good BOY!"
Hey BTW, are you actually touting the virtue inherent ot the Nissan 240Z?
ROFLMNAO... Say it ain’t so.
We had one come up to the track a few weeks ago, he'd thrown in an after market turbo and still ran 10s in the 1/8th. He wanted to run again and we told him to come back the next week and we'd have a calendar set up to better calculate his time...