Originally Posted by C-D-P

If you ever get a chance, take a look at the old FMFM 6-5. It is an open source publication because it has been superceeded and is no longer used. But in that pub it will explain how to engage fast movers with SAF. It also says in that same chapter that engaging a fast mover with SAF is a very bad idea because you are unlikely to cause significant damage, and you have to lead the bird by between two and five football fields. Yes we have used .50 cals on our birds for air to air in the past. But even with shoddy construction, and the bird being smaller, it still took a ton of rounds to take one down. That argument they had in Cali about banning the .50 cal rifle is complete and utter BS. Even using HEAIP a commercial bird has so many redundant systems that you would have to do some serious damage to it. And hitting just hitting it would be more than difficult even for the best shooter in the world. And if you were able to hit the fuel tank with one HEAIP there would be too much fuel for the small blast from the round to create a FAE. It just is not going to happen.