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Makedde · #94 (**permalink**) 04-26-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Koga

The vast majority of people who support abortion take that position with the firm conviction that life does not begin at conception.

Life, as such, does begin at conception. It's a potential life, a life that could possibly grow and become a baby, or it could be miscarried or aborted, etc. It's a life, and I do believe that, but I don't believe that life is too inportant at this early stage, as there are no assurances that it will continue to grow.

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Originally Posted by Koga

If one personally felt "terminating pregnancy is not an easy thing" but was the right of the individual to make that "decision" Is the life within the mother's womb a human person?

The life is only a human person if the woman believes it is. It's personal opinion, see. The law states that a fetus is not legally a person, but that doesn't mean people can't have their own opinions. Some women see the fetus as being a person, others don't. It just depends on your beliefs, and how strong they are.

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Originally Posted by Koga

If the answer is no, it is not a human person, why would one feel it "is not an easy thing" to do?

You mean: 'Why is abortion so traumatic if women wanted to abort'?
I don't know, but I would say, personally, that it is because the decision to abort was reached too quickly. Not enough thought went into the decision, and there were regrets afterward.

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Originally Posted by Koga

If the answer is yes, it is a human person, why would one advocate "terminating" it?

I don't think many pro choicers see the fetus as a person, anyway, so they wouldn't advocate termination if this is what they believed.

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Originally Posted by Koga

If the answer is I don't know, if it is, or isn't a human person, how many more "decision(s)" would one make in an uncertain "situation"?

This one has confused me, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Koga

If the unborn is not a human person no justification for abortion is necessary.
However...
If the unborn is a human person, no justification for abortion is adequate.

Whether the fetus is considered to be a person is not the point. The law could state the fetus is a person, but this doesn't mean abortion laws will be overturned.
The law states that death row inmates are people, yet it doesn't stop them from executing them.

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Originally Posted by Koga

Nearly all arguments for abortion are based on the faulty premise that the unborn are not fully human.

Human, yes. It must be human in order to become a human. A fetus cannot start off as an animal, for example, and then become a human at some stage. It begins as a human, and is born a human.
Human does not necessarily mean person, though.

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Originally Posted by Koga

However, if you were go hunting in the woods, and shoot at someone, not knowing whether or not it was a deer but thought it was a deer and shot them anyway....

You would be charged with murder. Because despite your unceartainty, despite your rights, you have no right to kill another innocent human being. No matter what the hell you think. If you did a lot of thinking you wouldn't be shooting your gun on a "maybe" in the first place.

You would be charged with manslaughter, I'd think, as with murder, it must be proven that you intended to kill that person.
Saying 'You have no right' makes this sound like the intention was to kill a person, which you have stated it wasn't. You describe an accident, and nothing more.