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why does that matter when everyone has the same opportunity to get rich? am i supposed to feel bad for someone that doesnt try as hard as me? as far as im concerned, if someone accepts a job at minimum wage then they sould expect minimum wage. if they want to be paid more they should try harder.
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They don't, that is the whole point.
As we appear to agree that a proportion of society have to remain poor, to enable the wealthy to become and remain wealthy, you must surely see that a proportion of society, even if they really do try as hard as you, will still remain poor.
Tell me, if everyone takes the opportunity to become rich, try as hard as you, achieve the qualifications you talk of, work really hard to lift themselves, because if they do, they
will better themselves, who is left to carry out the low paid menial jobs that will always be there?
This is a serious point, or to put it another way, if everyone becomes rich or wealthy even (
and you feel they would if they take the three step advice you gave in your post, your solution) any monetary gains would be rendered useless, monetary values would be destroyed within the economic systems we have in place. Surely the ladder effect would ensure this.
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actually, you would probably see automated cars picking up garbage because there would be more engineers to figure that kind of stuff.
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Who would employ all these engineers? The market place would be saturated with engineers, which in turn would lower the status and monetary worth of said engineers. Hence my point that one would see a large number of people with engineering degrees for example, working as refuse collectors or in some other menial employment.
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yeah but that doesnt matter. everyone gets the same chance to get ahead. if youre not getting paid enough its your own fault. i shouldnt be paying you more just because you dont think its fair. that youre not as successful.
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I disagree, I am sure it would matter to you a great deal, if you were a hard working person, who by some quirk of fate have no academic ability. I also disagree that everyone has the same chance to get ahead, you have totally dismissed valid points made, regarding lack of academic ability and genuine vulnerability.
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and what percentage of the population do you think that is? and again.. should they be paid more out of pitty? no.. you dont have to be smart to be successful.
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Quite a large percentage now I would imagine, as many jobs in the US, due to a huge loss of manufacturing within your country are within the service industry. An industry which is renowned for low paid menial work.
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it makes them less of an intelligent person. believe it or not, intelligence matters.
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Yes it does, to the detriment of many unfortunate people, they still need
basic living requirements, also a wage that provides said living requirements in one of the richest countries in the modern world.
I would say this is a moral imperative.
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what about them? are you suggesting i should feel sorry for them? i dont think so. again, veryone gets the same opportunity. ust because they cant grab the opportunity doesnt mean that i should feel bad for them.
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With respect, I find your answer, naive and selfish in the extreme.
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why would you want to try to make sure? in other words it doesnt really matter if you work hard for a lot of money or if you work fairly easy for a decent ammount.. also, if they should be paid a viable wage, that should be at the discression of the employer. you shouldnt force someone to pay someone else more then the employer thinks its fair. like i said. if you dont like how much youre getting paid, get another job
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At the discretion of the employer? Again I feel you are being extremely naive. In an ideal world, yes of course. In some cases this does happen, employers do pay a viable wage, unfortunately, this is far from an ideal world, where exploitation is rife. This takes us full circle, back to my original point, which, with respect I must add, you have failed to address.
To enable the wealthy to remain wealthy, a proportion of society has to remain poor.
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then let those that dont like it here move to the UK. nobodys stopping them.
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Not a valid answer regarding this point.