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Originally Posted by Lackluster
I would suggest you familiarize yourself with a little liberal concept called "tyranny of the majority". I might suggest you seek to understand one very common logical fallacy -- a fallacy called "argumentum ad populum".
Just because a majority of people can express an opinion, such opinions are not necessarily valid. It is quite true that representatives of various non democratic states have enough muscle to seek to punish Jews wherever they can, but why you would place such unquestioning trust in such representatives is anybody's guess. The fact you do not even consider the source is quite evident, but for anybody else reading this thread, I might ask them to do so.
Certainly, the Libyas, Irans, Cubas and Venezuelas of the world have political clout within the auspices of the U.N., but why defer to their opinion on ANY subject without so much as a singe question as to what they seek to accomplish?
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Lemme try to explain this for you, Lackluster. Those country representatives in the Security Council of the United Nations were NOT a minority. They were not some street corner rabble giving their personal opinions. They were part of a legally instituted body that the US has sworn to respect and to abide by its decisions. They were a clear majority of the most important council of the largest forum for international consensus on the planet. Now, if what you are in fact trying to say, is that the decisions of the SC of the UN are irrelevant to the US, then you must first explain why the US was so two-faced as to be a founder member and to vote to uphold the UN principals.
You ask why I place such trust in the UN and its SC. I think that is obvious, but let me say it anyway - because it is the best forum for international debate, consensus and sanction. I know that it must be a bitter pill for the US to swallow when the vast majority of world opinion turns against it. It is like the schoolyard bully being challenged by the rest of the boys. He must hate it!! But that does not mean that the bully is right, reasoned, logical, correct or that he holds the moral high-ground.
Remember freedom fries and the rest of the throwing of toys out the buggy? France DARED to even suggest a veto agains the US. Naturally, it doesnt matter that the US has vetoed France more than 80 times.
So UNSC resolution 242 is not a case of a minority going against the reasoned wishes of the majority. If you believe that to be the case, Lackluster, then I presume that it is because you didn't like the results, and therefore the process is invalid. You just MUST be from the USA.
Now, why to defer to the opinion of those members of the Security Council at the time of UNSC 242 - because the US signed a document saying that it would. Unless you suggest that Uncle Sam's word is worth zip. But then, you may have a point there.
Oh, and finally, may I point out that the US was a member of the Security Council, and voted in favour of 242.