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Originally Posted by Tuatara
Who said anything about Fox? I bet you don't even know what propaganda is.
Which of the following quotes is propaganda?
1. If you're not with us, You're against us.
2. The US military fights for freedom and democracy.
3. I will vow to rid the world of evil-doers.
Answer: All the above
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Since you provide no source, it would seem attributing words to people and then labelling those people as propagandists is, in itself, the worst kind of propaganda.
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And it is our right to voice our objections whenever a country is engaging is something we don't agree with. Especially when it is wrong or illegal and kills hundreds of thousands of innocents.
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Which anyone in the US may do. But we're discussing people in the military, who also have the right to express their views, so long as it doesn't compromise their mission. Consequently, your statement is inaccurate. Soldiers can believe whatever they want, but they have an oath to serve their country, regardless of their personal opinions.
If they cannot live up to that oath, then they never should have made it. Thus, they are deserters.
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You mean like Bush and his administration? Or are you talking about me. Are you implying that I should just keep quiet and never dissent when I feel a certain policy is wrong. How Totalitarian of you. Funny how you guys pretend to claim you're against Totalitarian style governments yet you show examples of supporting it.
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This is a very weak straw-man argument. You'll have to try harder. A soldier who swears to obey his Commander-In-Chief one week, and then decides the next week he's going to do what he pleases, is the one who is acting like a child. He does not decide the law, but society as a whole does. What if some conservative general decided on his own to go invade Syria or Iran, because he disagreed with government policy? Should we pin a badge on him as a hero too for following his conscience and breaking his oath? I think not.
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Yes, they either perpetuated the propaganda themselves or where the victims of it.
Tell me, how would you feel if a soldier was ordered to fire on a group of pre-schoolers. Do you support his oath then or do you support his dishonor if he feels to not take orders. Also noticed you glossed over my Nazi analogy.
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The Code of Military conduct is long, tried, and very clear in these circumstances. And fortunately, this is not what we are debating. (By the way, this is your second Straw-man argument. Better than the last, but not good enough.) Congress authorized the war, not the killing of little children.
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No nation in the world would ever do war crimes, acts of genocide, illegal invasions, countless killings of civilians if they didn't blindly follow the orders of their leaders. Every mass killing throughout history was done by willing men to take up arms and kill for reasons none other than propaganda. Our side is right, their side is wrong.
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You know what, I just read this whole paragraph, and it really has no bearing on what we're discussing. But I'm glad you got it off your chest.