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Originally Posted by Andaras
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about,
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Well it's not all that complex an argument sis, I was talking about this:
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Originally Posted by ANDARAS
Well, for one the key tenet of fascism is class collabaration, where all classes of society work together under 'the State'. Marxist class struggle, on the other hand, is the complete antithesis of this, formulating that the class interests of the capitalists and worker's are irreconcilable and can only be solved by revalution and the worker's taking over the State. The State then, for the Marxist, is only ever a tool of class rule, in this case a ruling working class.
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In that analysis you simply pointed out that Marx requires revolution, the destruction of the nation and its culture... while fascists do roughly the same thing without the destruction of the culture.
Thus my position...
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Originally Posted by PI
This sums up to fascism merely being 'Socialist Lite.' Which is, as it happens, the working definition of the US Independent, moderate, centrist, secular progressive... IE: Liberals...
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and like most brainwashed conservatives you have your little rigid mind made up and nothing will change it. You see that's the difference, those on the Left have open minds and aren't as narrow-minded and dogmatic like you.
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Oh absolutely, I mean just LOOK how open YOUR mind is...
After all, nothing says power argument like: "You don't know what you're talking about! YOUR MIND IS CLOSED!"
Yes sir sis, you're all OVER IT
LOL... Leftists...
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The attempt to try and paint fascism as a Marxist revision is politically opportunist and base partisanism at it's worst.
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I don't 'attempt' anything sis... I'm merely stating fact: Fascism is Socialism around a nation and Marxism is socialism without nations... Other than that, there are no discernable distinctions beyond the pedantic...
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Such a conception of life makes Fascism the resolute negation of the doctrine underlying so-called scientific and Marxian socialism - Benito Mussolini, Doctrine of Fascism.
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Nice out of context semi-quote... What was the conception of life to which he was referring?
Just to clue ya in sis, El Duci was El Duci of the Italian socialist party before he became El Duci Italia... He was the editor of the Largest Socialist Magazine when the Magazine was KING, long before television... He was an international ROCK star among the early 20th century Progressives.
He merely recognized at the outset of WW1, as did Vladimir Lenin, that International Socialism was NEVER going to succeed, as to do so, it would have to rid the world of sovereignty and with the commencement of the war, it was clear that sovereignty reigned supreme and that that wasn't about to change...
SO Mussolini advocated FOR the war, despite the protestation of the Socialists, he opted to advocate the interests of Italy and began his campaign to utilize the invalid emotional tugs inherent in international socialism to promote what was fast becoming known as 'Secular Progression,' AKA: Fascism...
The Nazis were hardly the sole example of fascism; the Italian fascists had virtually nothing in common with the Nazis... and despite myths to the contrary, the Italians had no problem with Jews... in fact Jews were over represented in the Italian fascist legislature.
There is nothing closer to the defining traits of fascism than the US Democrat party... and the liberals that comprise it, along with those who for political reasons are registered in the Republican party.
They are the sole source of fascist regulations, confiscatory taxation and the rationalization that such is necessary to fund social programs...
They are the truest essence of fascism.