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Originally Posted by Tuatara
Who said them isn't important. It's a test to see if one recognizes propaganda. Nice strawman though.
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Save your tests for your kindergarten friends. Again, anyone who lies to accuse others of being a propagandist, is a propagandist himself, in my view.
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Why not anyone in the world. Free speech isn't reserved for US citizens only.
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I see you are having difficulty distinguishing between speech and action. We are talking about a soldier's pledge to serve his country, an oath to perform certain actions in behalf of the nation that has given him all of his liberties and freedoms. That soldier may voice his disagreement with that nation's political positions as much as he wants, but if he refuses to fulfill his oath, then he is a deserter.
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We were talking about everyone's right to free speech.
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Maybe you were. But I can tell you have a little trouble following a single trend of thought. The title of this thread is about our soldiers in the armed forces.
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My statement is not inaccurate because it was directed at all people. If a soldier has to serve their country no matter what because of an oath I can still claim that he was brainwashed by propaganda to join the military in the first place.
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Or perhaps he can claim little devils whispered naughty things in his ear and made him sign up. Right.
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Yes they are deserters but I would still call them heroes for being able to use their own minds and knowing the difference between right and wrong.
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Why didn't they use their mind before they took the oath? Well, perhaps their minds were as impaired as your own....
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How so? You made a comment about anyone children believing that they could get their way. You made no comment as to who you were making that assertion about and since you quoted me I suspected you were talking about me.
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Nope, sorry. The world doesn't revolve around you. I was speaking of the men that served in the armed forces, and the cowards who break their oath when they are sent to fulfill that oath.
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I said most Americans in my statement and you took that to mean I was talking only about soldiers? I think it is you bringing up the strawman.
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Let me refer you to the title of this thread and the opening post. I hope this isn't too much of a wake-up call for your humble faculties.
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No, but you can personally feel anyway about him what you want. If he decided not to follow orders to torture prisoners in Abu Graib you can either agree with him or not. He may have broken the rules that were ordered to him but judge him with your own conscious and not the government's.
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Read the transcripts of the Abu Graib trial. No one was ordered to torture anyone. Of course, if you prefer to make up facts to support your specious conclusions, who am I to get in the way?
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It's an analogy that everyone is afraid to answer because it correlates to exactly what I said.
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I have an analogy for you: False claims are to Tuatara as feathers to a duck.
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But if the war took a turn where the orders to kill children came about do you personally feel a soldier should stop following orders.
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(Sigh) This is called an "Either-Or" reasoning error, Tuatara. It occurs when someone gives you only two choices when actually more choices are available. I'm sure you know, that nearly 100 percent of America's armed forces do not kill babies, and yet somehow -I'm sure miraculously in your eyes- manage to fulfill their oaths to their nation.