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Originally Posted by JavaBlack
Who has claimed anything Utopian will come about?
The fact of the matter is that science and reason have been improving our lives. There's no indication that they will ever lead to perfection but getting rid of them now in favor of the old and failed ways of mysticism and rain-god-appeasing would definitely be detrimental.
And well before the world wars there were conflicts on top of conflicts. There will likely be more.
What's interesting is that the reaction to the world wars seems to be an attempt to learn from them.
Ummmm... I agree. That's why I prefer science and reason.
Not that I expect people to not be emotional and faithful... But when we all check and balance each other, we might just be able to get around that, at least with big decisions.
And the world has not ended. Sure, MAYBE it will end from some future stupidity. I bet you the trigger of any possible scenario has more to do with blind faith than with science (even if science is the tool that builds the tools for the job, it will be faith that pulls the trigger).
Science is not about "being enlightened." It's about continuing to learn.You're getting the perspectives mixed up. It's PI's theological/philosophical mumbo jumbo that claims to know all and know all of humanity's limits.
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That is the logical conclusion to that belief, because eventually it holds that logic and reason can overcome human nature.
No matter how far we progress there will always be armed conflict.
While I support logic and reason, I realize that they will not alway be the guiding factor in many human decisions. People quite often act with their passions and emotions rather than being reasonable. This is where our "doom's day" theory comes from. Once people feel the need to get rid of natural rights or something like that we will all be put under the rule of brutal dictators who will imprison if not kill any and all dissenters.
So we claim to know humanity's limits. While we might be a little off, it seems that conservatives have a better idea of what human nature is, and they recognize the limitations imposed by that. Why do you think Communism and all those socialist communes they had in the 19th century fail? Human nature puts limits on human kind's capacity to achieve progress.