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Professor Peabody · #**662** (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

So it seems the answer is no.

You can't show us how many of these 19,000 "scientists" have actually ever published any research in a peer-reviewed scientific journal which argues that AGW is not occuring.

You cannot find even 1 for me?

The opinions of these 19,000 "scientists" doesn't really count for much if none of them have ever published any research supporting their opinions, does it.

Another thing - who are these 19,000 "scientists" who don't agree with the IPCC? Why do you continually make things up?

I thought you were referring to the Oregon Petition when you quoted these 19,000 "scientists". It is claimed that these "scientists" signed a petition agreeing to the statement:

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

Where does that mention the IPCC? I'm sure there are many scientists who would agree that there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate.

Could you show me where the IPCC says that there is there is convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate.

I am not convinced that AGW will result in catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere I understand that there is considerable evidence that the impact of moderate heating of the earth's atmostphere may have impacts upon human habitation that in some instances may me catastrophic. But not that there will be catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere

So, who exactly are these 19,000 "scientists" who don't agree with the IPCC? Where did you get that from?

(and for those who want to read more about the wonderful Oregon Petition - please go here:
http://timlambert.org/2004/05/oregonpetition)

I love it Tim Lambert! Does he teach anything weather or climate related at the University of South Wales? Here's a link to his school page.

What he Teach's:

* Computer Graphics
* Advanced Graphics
* Engineering Design and Innovation
* Computational Geometry

http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/

The opinion of computer teacher doesn't really count for much if:
1) He has absolutely no education in climatology
2) Has never published any research supporting his opinion.

Does it.

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Scientists who doubt there's a scientific "consensus" that we face dangerous man-made global warming.

Prof John Christy, IPCC lead author and head of Alabama's Earth System Science Centre: "I've often heard it said that there is a consensus of thousands of scientists (who say) humans are causing a catastrophic change to the climate system. Well, I am one scientist, and there are many, that simply think that is not true."

Prof Charles Wax, Mississippi state climatologist: "There isn't a consensus among scientists."

Dr Roy Spencer, formerly NASA's senior climate scientist: "The only consensus I'm aware of is that it's warmed in the last century."

Prof emeritus Joel Kauffman, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia: "(M)any professors of climate science realize that carbon dioxide generated by human activity has caused little or no global warming."

IPCC scientists who doubt even the IPCC, said to represent 2500 scientists who all believe in dangerous man-made warming.

Prof Yuri Izrael, IPCC vice-chairman: "There is no serious threat to the climate."

Richard Lindzen, former IPCC lead author and meteorology professor at MIT: "There is no substantive basis for predictions of sizeable global warming due to observed increases in minor greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane, and chlorofluorocarbons."

Dr Vincent Gray, IPCC reviewer: "The continued fairly unchanging warm weather since 1998 shows no signs of increasing, and is probably influenced by changes in the sun."

Dr Christopher Landsea, former IPCC author and hurricane expert: "It is beyond me why my (IPCC) colleagues would utilise the media to push an unsupported agenda that recent hurricane activity has been due to global warming . . . I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound."

Petitions of scientists who doubt the faith.

A 2006 letter to Canada's Prime Minister signed by 60 experts in climate-related fields: " 'Climate change is real' is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified."

The Oregon Petition of Dr Frederick Seitz, US National Academy of Sciences past president, with the verified signatures of 17,800 scientists and technicians, including 2600 climate scientists: "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...000117,00.html

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Could you show me where the IPCC says that there is there is convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate.

What then is the IPCC basing it's man made global warming claims on? A ouiji board?