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Old 05-08-2008, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bugalugs View Post
Read carefully. Try to understand.


The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

On matters of the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression - it is the Security Council that "shall determine" whether these things exist.

Not individual nations. The wording says exactly that they decide for the other nations. By agreeing to this clause in this treaty, the USA has agreed that in matters between UN Member States - the USA relinquishes its right to decide on the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression - because the UN Security Council SHALL DETERMINE this




What is to ignore?

It says that if the UN Security Council has determined that threat exists - then the UN Seciurity Council shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Why do you keep ingoring the words directly after those - " or decide what measures shall be taken"


It is very clear.

By invading a UN member nation without sanction from the UN Security Council - it is the invading nation(s) that has determined the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression.

This is contrary to Article 39, which says that the UN Security Council will determine this - NOT the member nation.

And it was the member nation that decided what measures would be taken in response to this perceived threat.

This is contrary to Article 39, which says that the UN Security Council will decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Because the action was directly contrary to the provisions of Article 39 - it is illegal under Article 39.

I don't know how I can explain this any more simply to you.

If you don't understand how to read law - please don't try to pretend that you do.

I am still waiting for you to back your origional claim. But until you do that. here we go again.

When they are deciding. It is what they are going to do. As they decided to do nothing. We were justified. They can not decide what we can or can not do. As stated in Article 51.

Try again there buddy.
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