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Old 05-08-2008, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by White Fox View Post
The US is the first, functioning democracy on the face of the planet. The kind of democracy you are talking about only works in city-states in ancient Greece where everybody in the city has similar interests and there is no difference in the geographical interests. The US is only crumbling to the extent that the federal government is increasing its power, by majority vote of course. An oligarchy is headed by a group that is succeeded by its hereditary decendents (Bush and Bush do not count, they were both voted into office, and if you disagree I have no time to debunk conspiracy theories). If you are calling the US a rouge state because it does not do everything the international community tells it to do, than yes, it is a rouge state, but that because it is a democracy and its people can make their own decisions about what they want to do. The fact that the most of the American people are armed, paranoid, and hateful is simply untrue (you sound like a certain elitist and his "bitter" comment). They are drenched in propaganda, a result of free speech, so they are drenched by propaganda from all sides. If you think an economic death awaits those who favor individualistic systems than I would like to remind you that democracy is the political system that lets capitalism exist. I would also remind you that, economically, capitalist systems are irrefutably superior to socialist ones, the only problem is the complaint that the workers are mistreated and that wealth is not evenly distributed. Last time I walked down the street here in America, it was not filled with the blood of people who killed themselves because they were brainwashed by our democratic government. It's funny that you want to tell society what to think while supposedly supporting democracy. It's also funny that you are a liberal lamenting the moral corruptness in our society. It supports my belief that all the religious fanatics are liberals and would go back to the democrats if it were not for the social upheaval of the '60s that the dems want back. The US may be the most hated nation on earth and that's why we want to get those terrorists back!

I think this is a complete, logical argument against your outline of points and it didn't take 6 years.

There wouldnt be a single independent thinker or non-bought academic that would class the USA system as democratic.

You can argue all you like but you have a responsibility to be honest about what the words "democracy" and "freedom" mean and how they are defined in practise.

The USA is a Plutocratically based Oligarchy that funnels almost all of its power and welath through an undemocratic private coroporation system that is propped up by tax payers funds and favourable legisaltion that locks out the public from having a say. These sorts of systems are NOT democratic.

Dont feel deluded or ashamed about this fact - there are no actual democracies in operation in the world today. You can bang your head up against the wall all you like but this is a fact - research it honestly and diligently and you will discover this universal axiom for yourself.

And when you do you may be able to make a difference in your country!

Next thing you will be saying is that the US economy is a free market place and democratic

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