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Originally Posted by JavaBlack
Religious beliefs are subject to human nature. They do not exist outside of it.
That is exactly why they change.
Pay close attention to theology. Note the use of "the sword" as a metaphor for Christians. It's considered purely metaphoric.
But you and I both know... if Christians felt they needed to kill, if they needed a rationalization... the metaphor would become literal.
On the other hand, most Christians are not huge on actively converting others. Despite the fact that it's explicit in the bible and is taken rather literally in most theology.
Why? Because it is disruptive and it conflicts with other desires Christians as humans in the context of modern Western society.
So why don't most Muslims kill if it's so embedded? Because that is not worth it to them... just doesn't seem right. It conflicts with other beliefs and desires. It also conflicts with other parts of their religious texts.
So there will be movement toward changing the interpretation into symbolism, jihad into a "spiritual combat" without bloodshed. Why? Because it is more desirable to more believers.
The violent sects will be limited to areas where that violence is in demand for other political reasons... and thus desirable to many in the population.
So the best course of action is to let things go, make life harder on terrorists when possible... easier on regular people when possible. Lessen the factors that put violence in demand, increase factors that make violence undesirable and counterproductive.
Let people gloss over Muhammed with an idealized iconic figure that "stands for peace". Why do people take such issue with that? If they believe he is some kind of peacenick, they will strive to be like that.
I think it's pretty silly when you see the Islamophobes arguing against a Muslim who is denouncing terror and stating Muhammed to be a man of peace... and somehow thinknig that this is productive in stopping terrorism.
And yet I have seen such arguments. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Let them believe their alleged prophet is a man of peace... That's how the religion will become more peaceful. History be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. It's a religion! Does it really matter if they have an accurate assessment of their alleged prophet (If I cared, I'd sugest the first thing they do is stop thinking he talked to God... same goes for Christians with Jesus)?
No. What matters is that they become more peaceful.
It gets me thinking that some people don't have their priorities straight. Many see the Muslims as a market for selling their own religion by whatever means necessary... or at least reaffirming their own beliefs to themselves. I personally have no stake in that crap. I'm resigned to living in a world mostly populated with monotheists obsessed with some alleged "Holy Land" and who think I'm going to Hell.
I say if people are believing nonsense (and they will and you will not change that nor the type of nonsense they believe), that nonsense might as well lead them toward peace.
And it will over time, provided the greater structure of the world order is conducive to peace.
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The Islamophobe moniker is a misnomer! I am not afraid of all muslims. I do recognize that their religious text that they hold sacred calls for them to tolerate no other beleifs and use all means neccessary to rid the world of those who do not beleive the same things they do.
If you do not agree with my assertion above, take a look at the various Muslim sects. Why do they actively try to kill one another? It is because of the intolerance of different beleifs.
Now take a look at Christianity. There are numerous divisions within the Christain Church, but NONE are trying to kill one another and most agree that, while we differ in our beleifs slightly, nobody knows which (if any) of us is actually 100% right.
I realize that it is convenient for atheists to view all religions the same. Its a lot like Left wing leaning people categorizing and labeling people to keep there little world simple and neat. But the truth is that all religions are not the same! Islam is marked by violence everywhere it exists. Budhism isn't! Christianity isn't!
So simplifying your viewpoint in order to dumb the world down to a level where you easily understand it is no way to actually come to an understanding of what is actually happening.