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Originally Posted by eleanoraquitaine
You are sad, because you see that islam is in fact evil but want to ignore and it just hope it changes someday. Pathetic.
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I don't think it's evil, as it does not automatically create evil.
Despite all your drama, most Muslims on earth are peaceful.
Not something to be sad about IMO... but then again I'm not the one invested in calling it evil.
Terrorism is evil and religion is false. Islam is one of the more annoying religions and the Islamic part of the world is more conducive to terrorism.
That's what I see.
As for the "hope"... I understand anthropology of religion. Religions change. Religions that fail to change die. Just like most other aspects of culture. It's not rocket science.
And if you note differences between the average American Muslim and the average Pakistani Muslim... you'll see that it happens.
But you don't. So what am I gonna do about it?
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Originally Posted by eleanoraquitaine
I say it, because it is the truth. You and people like you ignoring it won't make it go away. islam must be recognized for what it is, evil. If it reforms, great. But, it hasn't. And, your dreams that it will someday are simply irrelevant..
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That's quite ridiculous.
So you'll see people who are Muslims and believe that, whether historically true or not, Muhammed believed in peace, will frown on violence and terror, and are on their way to becoming modern Westernesque types... and you have to point out that they are wrong about their religion.
I hate to break it to you but religion is myth. Period.
If people want to believe Muhammed was a talking duck, so it shall be. We do the same thing with our own history (real stuff, not old religious jargon). Abe Lincoln was no saint and we were not always so nice... but it doesn't matter much so long as we control our future history.
I have no cares as to what Muslims believe about their propht... but you know what? They're going to believe in him. That's how religion goes.
Holding that constant, I rather they believe he's a peaceful guy and start to emulate that. I'd rather that women of Islam start making those claims about alleged feminism within the religion. Why? Because if people start thinking in those terms... they will make it so.
Instead you prefer to try to make them beleive their prophet is a mad killer, that sexism is part of their religion, etc... In you're desire to destroy the religion, you trap the faithful in that box. You apparently want them to continue being medeival so you can continue to have an enemy.
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Originally Posted by eleanoraquitaine
Baloney. I have repeatedly focused on defeating it, not destroying it. Destroying it would be better obviously, but I have repeatedly said it is impractical and not necessary for victory. You are setting up a straw man which is convenient for your holier than thou embrace of evil in the name of tolerance...
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Defeat. Destroy. Same difference. I suppose the only real change between the words is that "defeat" allows you to redefine the terms as necessary (which ironically is much how religion changes).
And who exactly started the thread with the word "destroy"?
You set up your own strawman. Quit crying.
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Originally Posted by eleanoraquitaine
I think the war is going well actually overall and do not at all feel powerless.
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So you will quit complaining when the Muslims of the world are no longer living in anarchic gang violence?
I'll believe it when I see it.