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Originally Posted by eleanoraquitaine
So were most of the nazis..
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What do you define as a Nazi?
The active members of the party?
People who joined the party because they feared for their lives otherwise?
People who lived under the reign of the Nazis?
In any case religion and the Nazi ideology were not the same. Most of the people who were Nazis under all but the first choice... ceased to be Nazis after the regime fell.
Do you honestly believe that Muslims will stop being Muslims after the self-proclaimed leaders fall?
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This is merely a difference of the numbers as a percentage of the total population. There is no difference in the religion, the ideology:..
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I realize that you may have trouble remembering all the many people who you end up arguing with, but I've seen this article before and responded. It took up a lot of time and space.
And my view has not changed.
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I am an agnostic objectivist. So, you are not speaking to a "believer."
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"Objectivism" eh? You don't need to have a God to have blind faith in something.
Interestingly Rand's works themselves have many of the same qualities as a mythos... and the followers many of the same qualities as religionists (not all the same qualities, but some).
Either way it's irrelevant. Religion is still made up of myth.
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Your theory would make more sense if I had a problems with muslims before 9.11. I did not. Until 9.11 I was ignorant of islam's inherent drive to conquest and terrorism. I knew they seemed to commit a lot of terrorism, but not that they do it because their hero and unholy books tell them to. That changes things.
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How does this change anything?
So you did not start until you had a vendetta. And?
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Well, tough to argue with someone who simply ignores distinctions between words and concepts. We defeated the Germans and Japanese. Did we destroy them? Whatever. But, you can't criticize me for your interpretations of words at the same time knowing our interpretations are different. In fact, I never "invested" in any one strategy or word, other than victory..
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Explain how a nation-state is in anyway similar to an ideology that is pretty well decentralized and spread amongst over a billion people in different lands and based in religious principle and faith rather than in rule of law.
I believe you can defeat a nation-state. It's pretty hard not to believe that.
But define the "defeat" of a religion.
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Very clumsy of you. I didn't start the thread, so I didn't chose the word destroy.
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Good catch. I suppose I get all the people I argue with mixed up too (it's not like the arguments ever seem to change from person to person).
Sorry then.
So I guess as far as you are concerned I'll stick with attacking this notion of "defeat".
I'm not sure that term is really getting us any closer to anything.