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Old 05-09-2008, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by i.beletesri View Post
Actually very little Had to be 'Bought' since 2/3 of what became Israel was State Land and owned by NO Arab.. passing from the Ottomans to the British to The Jews.
Two small problems.

First you are presuming that sovereignty is, has been, and should have been the western world's "country" concept. Unfortunately it is a flawed presumption. I don't want to tell you what to do, but you might like to web-search the age-old Fellaheen system of ground sharing that existed for millenia throughout the Middle East. For a dry legal view I refer to http://pnews.org/art/4art/LANDquestion.shtml

Secondly you seem to believe that by holding a mere mandate, the British in fact had justified control over the destination of the included territory. Sure, I know that they acted as if they did, but in fact they had no such rights whatsoever. The British miserably abused their responsibilities by promising the same land to two different peoples during World War 1. One of those peoples had not controlled that land neither by occupation, nor by "country rights", nor by usage, for 2000 years. And I don't mean what are now called the Palestinians.

But such is the nature of Myths. You shoot them down in flames and they rise again, like Peter Sellers in the movie The Party. This "land ownership" is one of the most famous of the many Zionist Myths that was blown clear out of the water on this very forum about a year ago.

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There was never a self-governing state on 'palestine' since it's was called ISRAEL... the first time. (renamed 'palestina' by the Romans, not Arabs, lol) So much for 'sovereignty'.
A very similar Myth also debated on this forum and was also shredded. The fact that there never was a Palestinian state is irrelevant when one refers to rights derived from another age and socio-political system. When Abraham arrived in Canaan - there were people living there. And they are still there. And they are not Hebrews. And they did not have a country or state. But those olive plantations where Jaffa oranges now grow had been tended by them since time immemorial.

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After WWI, Many Countries were created that weren't 100% of one ethnicity or religion.
The Kurds Sovereignty was given to a Saudi prince in Iraq. You never see much of an issue from the 'anti-zionists' here on that.
The Kurdish issue is indeed a huge tradgedy .... HUGE .... and I am gratified that you have noted the similarities to the Palestinian tradgedy. Just for the record, I do realise that there have been many Jewish tradgedies also. But my mother taught me to question all cases where 2 'wrongs' are proposed to make a 'right'.

Seriously, if you are interested I will de-archive" these well-thrashed Myths for you.
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